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Funny thing is that you keep trying to brag but then you seem to remember that you guys all said that track numbers don't matter unless it is same day same track. So this LL of the GT PP2 beating the SS 1LE is just as legit as the SS 1LE matching the GT350R if that's the case. |
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Seeing these two cars competing so closely is pretty awesome in my opinion. It will only result in better cars.
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"Sounds like a lot of talking up from Ford, lol!! They advertise the PP and PP2 as being all this and all that and yet it is unlikely that either of these will be able to match the SS 1LE. Yet now we're supposed to believe in some miracle programming that will adjust the suspension THAT drastically?? Sounds like a lot to be hopeful for. And it sounds like an overhyped LC. If anything it'll slightly adjust the suspension so that you don't put excess strain on the parts or so that it is better suited for straight line work instead of whatever limited cornering it is capable of. It is nothing that Chevy and Dodge don't have or do...Ford just figured out a fancy name for it. It ain't like you're gonna bust off a 12.4 in the car, the put it in drag mode and drop another 3 seconds off. It more than likely won't have any effect at all or maybe just a minimal impact on the car's performance." Go back and read through its entertaining.
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09-23-2018, 01:37 AM | #47 | |
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In a blanket statement, like “yet it is unlikely that either of these will be able to match the SS 1LE,” I think what needs to be taken in that case is holistic - yeah, the PP2 is capable in putting down the lap time, but just in the... A lap time. Enter you comments on aftermarket parts now and, yeah, then it’s “capable “. |
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09-23-2018, 07:27 AM | #48 | |
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For the record, I do think it's all hype from the Ford camp. At best, the Mustang matches the SS 1LE now. Which is funny because you sit here bragging when the Mustang is finally on SS level. Which means that if Mustang performance is now all this and all that, then SS performance was a LOT better than you gave it credit for all this time. Which makes you just as ignorant as you're trying to make me look. You and others sat here downplaying the SS all this time just to now praise and brag about SS level performance, lol!! I find that to be entertaining. So congrats. You finally made it to the big leagues. Even if it took a major rework of the entire damn car. I am still not impressed. If this was 2015 then I would be. But that was 3 years ago bud. |
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Damn shame Ford didn't put proper cooling in the PP2. Then it might actually have been a contender against the 1LE. But after all that hype they still only ended up with a one-lap-wonder.
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It's a 3 lap wonder. And you only get 1 hero lap out of a set of SC2's so its got 2 laps to spare.
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Cooling aside, I'm surprised to be honest. I didnt think the car had that time in it. I'm interested to see a H2H now. But Ford please put coolers on it at least as an option. |
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There wouldn’t be much to say had ford just thrown the damn coolers on it. I think the choice came down to ford not wanting to step on the 350s toes any further. It looks bad when a $45k version of a car is matching the $60k version of the same car. Same with how the Camaro is nearing the corvette, but at least those are different cars and different platforms.
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"But with no differential cooler, the rear axle overheated every time we took the Mustang out, often in as few as three hot laps, and even with easy laps staggered between them. So there is one thing it needs besides a proper name." There are a few different ways to interpret that, but my way of looking at is that they drove three hot laps and got a temp warning so then they tried staggering in CD laps and found that regardless by the 3rd hot lap it would give a warning. Granted I wasn't there , but it seems a logical progression. As far as a H2H.. I'm not convinced that MT actually drives both cars same day in their H2H's... they dont when they do their other comparison testing. Maybe it's just too logistically difficult? |
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09-23-2018, 04:03 PM | #56 | |
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I agree with others that they were worried about pissing off GT350 owners. The GT with A10 is already faster than the GT350 in a straight line. So if the M6 PP2 GT beats the Shelby around a track then WTF would anyone wanna spend an extra $20K on it for? The name?? LOL!! This is why Ford should have just done it right the first time. If they had built the GT like this out the gate, then the Shelby would have been built better or they would have been able to skip it altogether and give you guys a GT500 like they damn well should have. So it would be much more even like things were in 13 and 14. But by building the GT like it was and then making the Shelby the way it was they severely limited themselves. And now you have 4 Mustangs with V8s all hovering in the same performance area. |
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