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Totally agreed on the Lucid.
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01-22-2024, 01:36 PM | #44 | |
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So OEMs over-projected and in some cases (Ford) built to their aggressive projections. Only to find out that it’s hard enough to take Tesla head on, but then when they out of nowhere drop prices…by thousands of dollars per vehicle…TWICE. And that’s why Ford is sitting on inventory and backing of on F150 Lightning production.
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01-22-2024, 02:42 PM | #47 |
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Actually Mary Barra pulled GM’s support from that initiative before Biden came to office and was called everything but a child of God by Biden’s predecessor.
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I saw the "thou shall build this, go away" a number of times during my thirty years in engineering. Retraining management in the laws of physics periodically was a job requirement for many of us. The supercharger drive on the C6 ZR1 was actually a classic example. "What do you mean, you can't just add an additional 100 hp to the drive and use a longer belt?" Getting back to my actual point, all of this Barra bashing, particularly the gender part, is nuts, compared to the performance of some of her predecessors. Waggoner was obsessed with keeping Toyota from taking over the sales lead long after it was a foregone conclusion that the cause was lost instead of planning for how we could get it back. We know the results of that folly. |
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To use a “local” example…For the transition from Camaro 5 to Camaro 6, Al Oppenheiser needed to “sell” the product content details, the design, the performance levels, the trim level details including roll-out timing of the high performing models, the financial business case including the price targets and the profit margins to Product Development leadership. At the time that included Bob Lutz and Mark Reuss. Once they greenlit it is reviewed at the Executive Staff level. Unless there was something glaringly wrong or too risky, particularly with the financials, the recommendations as greenlit by Product Development leadership prevail. If not, the Program Team (led by Al) would have an opportunity to come back with an improved business case. Rinse repeat. Rarely (as in I’ve never seen it happen) does a CEO get to decree “We are going to get rid of this product line”. In the case of EVs, and the strategy shift from ICE to EV, including no hybrids (except ERay), that is a more strategic decision and it does start in the C-Suite. That includes the heads of Product Development, Manufacturing, Finance, Product Planning, Corporate Strategy and the CEO. Those decisions are data heavy. Most of the data coming through Product Planning based on information pulled from all the other disciplines as well as external data. Recommendations are weighed and the Executive Committee makes a decision. It’s more like a Supreme Court than a dictatorship, so the CEO doesn’t have the only voice in the room. Possibly the loudest voice, depending on the CEO, but not the definitive voice. That’s just how product producing companies tend to work. Tech companies (Apple, Tesla, Amazon) behave differently.
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01-22-2024, 06:32 PM | #51 |
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Stop with this. Yes the current grid might have problems IF every car were an EV. They aren’t and it’s probably 2045 or so before they are. Do you seriously believe that nothing will change in the next 20 years? No changes at all to adapt to electrical use?
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By your estimation, how many decades to convert to say, 20% remaining ICE vehicles on the road? |
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01-22-2024, 06:40 PM | #53 |
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Oh I think a lot will change. Stay tuned…
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All of these American corporations were strong armed by the government to make products approved by the government. Heck, even the decisions to eliminate brands was mandated by the government. No, there wasnt a memo from Obama saying "you have to kill Pontiac" for taking a bailout but it was coerced, just like the mandates to build EV's are. There's a reason why corporations are losing billions investing in EV's and it isnt because they love the earth! At any rate, all of this is based on the false premise that CO2 is a pollutant. Its amazing how many people have bought into this absurdity. |
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Them going down to 4 brands was one of the best things GM did. The government officials wanted to axe GMC too, but then they saw the books and the printing press GMC is. Pontiac, Saturn, Saab, and Hummer had nothing to justify their continued existence. Before you mention, " What about Buick!?!?!" China is why Buick survived. It's funny though people constantly think GM went full EV just because of this administration. You do know GM announced going full EV in 2017 right? |
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My wife owned mostly Pontiacs from 1990 to 2010. IMO they were viewed as an upscale chevy. She and I loved her Grand Prix and would have kept buying them forever. Pontiac got cancelled. Side note, her family's dealership lost that brand. We had to move her into a Buick. My grandparents loved Buick. They bought several Park Ave's and I even got 1 as a hand me down. Excellent car, great mileage, fantastic reliability. Cancelled. I had to move into a used Regal after that. In 2017, we bought an Impala Premier and LaCrosse Essence, brand new. My son bought an Impala too. Loved the Impala, HATE the LaCrosse. Its the WORST! I just dont like the car, whatsoever. My son owns his Impala to this day because he cant find anything GM makes he wants so he's driving it till its dead. 140,000 on his car. Very reliable. My wife needed a new car in 2022. She would have bought a Pontiac but they're dead, she would have even bought another LaCrosse or Impala, but both were killed off. We settled for a new Acadia. She doesnt like it. I'm mediocre about it. I'd like a sedan with a trunk so when I transport my guns, the cops cant see them. Well, unless I buy a malibu, there's no chance of that. Plus, my 300Win Mag wont fit in a Malibu and if we travel, there's not enough room in the back for the 2 youngest kids who are late teens. Rather than spend boatloads of money on EV tooling for Buicks, my family took the buyout. GM completely killed everything I preferred to buy as primary transportation. We have an Equinox and an Acadia, 2 vehicles we dont like or want. Are we the 10% of America that wants these cancelled vehicles? I think not. Moving forward, our next purchases will be foreign sedans, no matter if it kills my family members that own the GM dealership. GM has managed to completely kill 100% of the business from my family, even though our extended family own a GM dealership! IMO, GM should sell itself off to china and just go away. china would probably market a new Park Avenue clone built with slave labor and we'd sign off on selling it here! |
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