[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

People have become so afraid of risk (in any amount) these days that I'm sure there are cases where a car's speed capability is intentionally held further below its tires' rated capability than absolutely necessary just to provide that little extra margin of safety.


Norm

I agree with that statement 100%. However, my statement was merely to correct an inaccurate comment. There are tires do handle 200 mph and there are plenty that support 170-190mph as well..

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

So all the outcry over this possible law is kind of over reacting.

Outcry over anything so arbitrary and inflexible is certainly justified.


Norm

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

I agree with that statement 100%. However, my statement was merely to correct an inaccurate comment. There are tires do handle 200 mph and there are plenty that support 170-190mph as well..

Agreed. It's not hard at all to find (Y) tires, with the parentheses being at least as important as the letter Y inside them.


Norm

[cellsafemode]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

First, this isn't a 150 mph speed limiter. This would be a limiter that actually prevents you from traveling 60 mph in a 55 mph zone... which is dangerous in its own right. More to the point, if you truly need these kinds of systems, you've done a piss poor job of training people to drive/operate vehicles.

Secondly, there are several tires that are rated for close to 200 mph. Just because companies electronically limit them doesn't mean the tires don't exist. Most companies are simply limiting them based on the old premise of 149 mph being the top rated speed on tires. However, tires do exist that exceed that speed rating considerably.

I said that there were almost none, not that they didn't exist or that there weren't several. If you look at what is available for any given popular tire size (like the most common top 5 for various vehicle classes which would make up the majority of all cars sold, like from https://www.tirereview.com/2017-top-...ck-commercial/) , the tire offerings that reach Y rating are anywhere from non existent to at best the very low teens (like for our car's size tires which aren't on the list because like these tires, few people are buying our type of car compared to the masses).


But since this isn't in regards to the european continent's desire to limit all vehicles to 150 and instead is something new like you stated, the point is moot.

And I think your last sentence in the first paragraph is why these kinds of laws will definitely pass one way or another. We aren't willing to limit driving to only those humans who are skilled enough to operate 2 ton machines. Not just in europe, but pretty much everywhere. People need to get to places and we aren't willing to be inconvenienced by everyone else's schedules and all take public transportation. So adequate driving tests will never be widely adopted to the point where it's effective at removing people who can't drive from the road.

So yes, this will be something that will pass for human drivers or (and i think more likely), this will be built into the auto-driving car robots of the near future that will remove all human driving from the roads. Until people dont have a real need to work outside of their homes and have to get to places every single day multiple times a day, the roads will be forever more outside of the reach of enthusiasts.

[nicktechla]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

I said that there were almost none, not that they didn't exist or that there weren't several. If you look at what is available for any given popular tire size (like the most common top 5 for various vehicle classes which would make up the majority of all cars sold, like from https://www.tirereview.com/2017-top-...ck-commercial/) , the tire offerings that reach Y rating are anywhere from non existent to at best the very low teens (like for our car's size tires which aren't on the list because like these tires, few people are buying our type of car compared to the masses).


But since this isn't in regards to the european continent's desire to limit all vehicles to 150 and instead is something new like you stated, the point is moot.

And I think your last sentence in the first paragraph is why these kinds of laws will definitely pass one way or another. We aren't willing to limit driving to only those humans who are skilled enough to operate 2 ton machines. Not just in europe, but pretty much everywhere. People need to get to places and we aren't willing to be inconvenienced by everyone else's schedules and all take public transportation. So adequate driving tests will never be widely adopted to the point where it's effective at removing people who can't drive from the road.

So yes, this will be something that will pass for human drivers or (and i think more likely), this will be built into the auto-driving car robots of the near future that will remove all human driving from the roads. Until people dont have a real need to work outside of their homes and have to get to places every single day multiple times a day, the roads will be forever more outside of the reach of enthusiasts.

if they don't make Y tires in your size, your car probably wont go over 150 anyways

[cellsafemode]

Originally Posted by nicktechla

if they don't make Y tires in your size, your car probably wont go over 150 anyways

perhaps. ..but not being able to reach 150 is not really a problem.

Not being able to confidently handle doing 80 is. Not being able to accelerate to 60 in under 10 seconds is. Not being able to stop is. That kind of performance is what leads to accidents in heavy traffic areas. Allowing vehicles that fall outside of those parameters to drive on the road requires laws that limit everyone. Then on top of that, you have drivers who can't operate their machines at those parameters even if the machine can do it. So you have to have laws that limit everyone to those people's ability.


The deck is stacked against anyone who isn't poor to mediocre in driving ability. This will never change since the only way it is going to improve is by getting humans out of the drivers seat and out of personal vehicle ownership.

[Number 3]

Volvo announced today that starting next year all of their vehicles will be speed limited to 112 mph.

Think of it this way, driving isn't a right even though we think it is. If we would just stop killing each other with cars or getting killed by cars then the need for regulating the car and the driving goes away.

[Hops]

I often wonder what the errors are on the estimated safety claims. What if they go through all this and they're are minimal improvements, which could be been met with increased enforcement, will they rethink the devices? i doubt it.

"The push for mandatory speed limiters is being spearheaded by the European Transport Safety Council, which says the limiters will reduce traffic collisions by 30 per cent, and save 25,000 lives within 15 years of coming into force."

As far a pedestrian fatalities in the US, i found this article interesting:
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...-year-in-a-row

"Other factors include vehicle speeds and alcohol use — not just by drivers, but by pedestrians. According to the most recent GHSA report, 33 percent of pedestrian fatalities involved a pedestrian with a blood alcohol content above the legal driving limit. Of course, it's not illegal to walk while drunk, but it can be dangerous — even deadly.
Seventy-five percent of fatalities occurred in the dark, and in 72 percent of the victim was walking in or crossing a road and wasn't in an intersection."

[brap999]

This is why I will always keep my GTO and C10 - Carbureted and all mechanical (except for the HEI's). There's nothing anyone can do to either of them that I couldn't undo, including forcing some kind of speed limiter.

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Think of it this way, driving isn't a right even though we think it is.

But somebody else has the right to micro-manage our driving (separate from issuing guidelines and expecting at least reasonable compliance)?


Norm

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

But somebody else has the right to micro-manage our driving (separate from issuing guidelines and expecting at least reasonable compliance)?


Norm

No they don’t have a right.....it’s just their job.

[Jeb114]

Originally Posted by brap999

This is why I will always keep my GTO and C10 - Carbureted and all mechanical (except for the HEI's). There's nothing anyone can do to either of them that I couldn't undo, including forcing some kind of speed limiter.

Well you better hope the Green New Deal does not become a reality it outlaws Gasoline in 15 Years. So I guess they can reach out and touch you!!!!

[nicktechla]

Originally Posted by brap999

This is why I will always keep my GTO and C10 - Carbureted and all mechanical (except for the HEI's). There's nothing anyone can do to either of them that I couldn't undo, including forcing some kind of speed limiter.

well so far, nobody has ever made an ECU that was uncrackable, so i don't think anything is undoable

[Jim50thSS]

Originally Posted by Jeb114

Well you better hope the Green New Deal does not become a reality it outlaws Gasoline in 15 Years. So I guess they can reach out and touch you!!!!

We will all be fighting to just feed our families after that anyhow.