[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by Number 3

460 lb ft isn’t torquey? You are a harsh grader.



As for timeless designs, I can’t really remember the last thing timeless, meaning I see one and go wow! C2 maybe?? Nothing in the Camaro lineage since maybe Gen2??



As for the manual valid point but a DCT is far better to own and drive IMO but that omission is all of C8 just not the Z06 (none of whose competition offers a manual unless you consider a Porsche in that group and I almost don’t anymore)



And round tail lights? C4 were squared off, C5 were oval and C6 back to round. So that’s just being way too picky.

I would be curious to see the torque and horsepower curve of LT6 before really judging.

But yeah, no manual is a disappointment. Again, not gonna be too harsh since I can't afford a Z06 anyway.

Also, the official Nürburgring time hasn't been released yet, I think, so that's also why I won't be quick to judge. Unofficial timing supposedly looks promising.

[vtirocz]

Originally Posted by UnknownJinX

It won't happen either way. I just don't think there is enough room in the engine bay for a wider DOHC V8. At least there isn't enough room without some rework.

I agree it won't happen (or is very unlikely), but is the LT6 really any wider than the 3.6 V6 w/ DOHC?

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by UnknownJinX

I would be curious to see the torque and horsepower curve of LT6 before really judging.

But yeah, no manual is a disappointment. Again, not gonna be too harsh since I can't afford a Z06 anyway.

Also, the official Nürburgring time hasn't been released yet, I think, so that's also why I won't be quick to judge. Unofficial timing supposedly looks promising.

I too am looking forward to the ‘ring time and see where it places the Z06.

[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by vtirocz

I agree it won't happen (or is very unlikely), but is the LT6 really any wider than the 3.6 V6 w/ DOHC?

The LGX/LF4(ATS-V) are 60° DOHC V6 so I would think they are probably close to a 90° OHV V8 in width. The angle for the V6 engines are narrower. There are 90° V6's; GM even makes one in the Gen V Small Block family, a 4.3 90° OHV V6, and Mercedes and Alfa-Romeo have 90° V6 as well, but that's beside the point.

90° DOHC adds significant width. Here you can see that Coyote is about 4" wider than LT1 which is not a small difference.

There is a reason why people LS swap everything, but not Coyote swap. The DOHC V8 is simply too wide to fit into engine bays originally designed for I4 engines.

To help you visualize, these are BRZ/FR-S/86 fitted with Coyote and LS engines. The only reason the Coyote fits at all is because the Toyobaru Twin comes with a wide flat-4 engine stock.





If anything, I think the LT6 would be even wider than Coyote, particularly with the exhaust manifold. Remember that the MR layout gives the C8 a lot of engine bay space to work with, so size constraint isn't exactly a high priority.

[95 imp]

Engineering highlights on the LT6

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[BruceWayne1LE]

Titanium rods…. Enough said. Chevy isn’t f******* around.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by UnknownJinX

The LGX/LF4(ATS-V) are 60° DOHC V6 so I would think they are probably close to a 90° OHV V8 in width. The angle for the V6 engines are narrower. There are 90° V6's; GM even makes one in the Gen V Small Block family, a 4.3 90° OHV V6, and Mercedes and Alfa-Romeo have 90° V6 as well, but that's beside the point.

90° DOHC adds significant width. Here you can see that Coyote is about 4" wider than LT1 which is not a small difference.

There is a reason why people LS swap everything, but not Coyote swap. The DOHC V8 is simply too wide to fit into engine bays originally designed for I4 engines.

To help you visualize, these are BRZ/FR-S/86 fitted with Coyote and LS engines. The only reason the Coyote fits at all is because the Toyobaru Twin comes with a wide flat-4 engine stock.





If anything, I think the LT6 would be even wider than Coyote, particularly with the exhaust manifold. Remember that the MR layout gives the C8 a lot of engine bay space to work with, so size constraint isn't exactly a high priority.

You’d have to look and see comments GM may have made on the Blackwing V8. My recollection was the smaller Blackwing would not fit in Alpha.

As for the V6, that’s 60 degrees while a V8 is 90 which would make it wider.

[GearheadSS]

Originally Posted by ponyboy96

One thing that was missing was the Ring lap time. I’m still thinking a ZLE will likely be quicker on track. JMHO.

There is zero chance of this.

[GearheadSS]

Originally Posted by Spaceme1117

C8 has great performance and the newly announced C8 Z06 with the LT6 engine is interesting.

But I am not a fan.

C8 Corvette
Timeless design? Nope.
Torque-y V8? Nope.
Manual transmission? Nope.
Round Corvette tail lights? Nope. (C7 departed from this also.)
Unique and affordable? Nope.

[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by GearheadSS

There is zero chance of this.

Yeah, the unofficial time of C8 Z06 is already faster than ZLE, so the official time is likely better.

I do wonder what the difference is, though. Some people are predicting that the C8 Z06 will be able to make into the 6-minute category. If so, that will be very impressive.

If C8 Z06's time isn't much better than ZLE's, then ZLE could at least be a good value proposition. Again, we will just have to wait.

[B8TTYVILLEKID]

Originally Posted by ponyboy96

Yep definitely this. I also don’t think the current crop of z06 owners are going to like this car due to its lack of bottom end torque. 200lbs less than the previous is going to be noticeable. I was reading the corvette forums (had to grab some black socks and white new balance first) and there was a huge discussion about that. I think there will be plenty of these for sale used not long after launch.

Imho, it was like when I owned a previous Gen GT500 and then drove my father in laws GT350. Gorgeous car, but man that lack of bottom end it felt like driving a civic in comparison until you revved it out. I just did not like the FPC 5.2. I was underwhelmed to say the least. I think most vette owners are going to feel the same when they finally drive it.

One thing that was missing was the Ring lap time. I’m still thinking a ZLE will likely be quicker on track. JMHO.

I think that thing is single mindedly built for the track. No way 1Le is faster. Z06 will just keep the revs high and into the torque band. I personally prefer torque like most of us but on a track I bet it rivals most all super cars

[Motor Fast]

Originally Posted by Zone5

[...] Superchargers overheat on the road-course. Maybe not for a few laps, but in a 40 minute SCCA race, superchargers are not even close to ideal. I raced in SCCA for 15 years and never saw a supercharged car out there. I'm guessing there must have been a few, but I never saw one. Supercharging is great on a street car or a drag car, but not on a road-course car, IMHO, and in Corvette engineering's humble opinion. [...]

I really like the ZL1 1LE but the supercharger is what has kept me away. I really hope my name clears for a 2023 Z06.

[Zone5]

Torque is always great. But on the road-course, horsepower is king. If you're not in the right gear coming out of the corner, and rely strictly on engine torque to accelerate, yeah you'll get around the track, but you won't be as fast as the guy who has the car in the right gear and uses horsepower to rocket out of the corner. On the dyno, horsepower almost always eclipses torque. If you want to win, you've got to coax every bit of power out of the car. Engines almost always produce more horsepower than torque. Therefore horsepower is more important for all out performance..

In the day, the biggest skill we all had to learn in road-course racing was heel-toe downshifting. You had to be able to match the revs to the rear tire speed in order to downshift entering a corner without upsetting the car. Why downshift? To put the engine in it's sweet spot to maximize corner exit speed. It's sweet spot being high RPM, where all of the horsepower lives. The C8 ZO6 appears to be set up perfectly. NA, so that there's not a supercharger overheating. High horsepower, and high revving to take advantage of that horsepower. Can't wait!