[Whitespeed]

Originally Posted by RamAir02

Matthew is referring to a harness bar like this which does not provide any rollover protection. In a rollover, the seat cannot break away and lay flat since the harness bar will hinder that movement. Should the roof cave in, your body is fixed upright. I'm sure you can imagine the implications of this hypothetical situation.

Thanks, but I'm questioning the statement that the seat will break away by design in a roll-over.

[RamAir02]

Originally Posted by Whitespeed

Thanks, but I'm questioning the statement that the seat will break away by design in a roll-over.

Ah, I see! Doh! Yeah I've only heard that anecdotally (albeit often) but never saw any reference or regulation stating that stock seats breakaway in a rollover.

[Whitespeed]

Originally Posted by RamAir02

Ah, I see! Doh! Yeah I've only heard that anecdotally (albeit often) but never saw any reference or regulation stating that stock seats breakaway in a rollover.

I have my doubts that this is a requirement, since I suspect that this would be very difficult to achieve given that it's in direct conflict with what you want the seat to do in any other type of collision. Having a seat back collapse in any other type of collision would leave the occupant unrestrained and much more likely to receive serious injury. Not to mention the risk to a rear seat passenger. Trying to differentiate the forces between a roll-over and any other type of collision would be challenging to say the least and I suspect a rear-end collision would put more load on the seat than a roll-over.



Incidentally, Schroth only recommends the QuickFit belts in cars they have tested to ensure adequate seat back strength.

[1leny]

Is stock seat work with harness w bar ?

Thanks

[RamAir02]

Some goodies have arrived

[Checkmate1]

^ Awesome. You are going to be so much faster now!

[jhuntd02526]

This is my 8th year doing HPDE. Have had the SS1LE for the past 2 years. I just want to share my experience and thoughts. My previous hpde car had a full safety system set up including full roll cage, hans device, fire suppression et cetera and completely stripped out.

When i got the Camaro I still wanted some degree of safety above the stock setting. Everybody talks about the Hans device and race seating whenever they plan to upgrade to a "safer system".

In my Camaro i had a seat mount, race seat, 6pt harness and hans device and harness bar. There are many and severe problems in this set up.

My seat mount broke not because of any accident just from fatigue and failure.

I had read all the forums and the pros and cons of this setup and of course I ignored the information because I wanted this set up. Cool after all.


I started to think then, what is it that people die of from motor vehicle accidents. As a family physician I started to do some research. And I found that neck injury is not the primary cause death. I have provided an excellent link regarding motor vehicle accidents and fatalities.


"Causes of fatalities in motor vehicle occupants: an overview
Springer
July 2022
Forensic Science Medicine and Pathology 18(1)"


The key points:

1. Blunt force trauma is the most common lethal event frequently with a combination of injuries to the head, chest, abdomen and limbs.

2. A variety of other fatal situations may occur that may involve sharp force and penetrating trauma, incineration, drowning, asphyxia, organic diseases or combinations of these.

3. Mechanism may be immediately lethal or death may occur from post-trauma .


In basic summary, without getting to much detail, I would say either you do the entire system as defined by the race car organizations after decades of reseach or you keep it stock and rely on the excellent integrated system that Camaro has put together.

Yes, I know we're all going to die. There is no fool Proof system. This is a dangerous sport but we all love it.

Be safe, have fun and enjoy the privilege you have to do such a cool sport

Jack

[20Bluezl1]

Originally Posted by jhuntd02526

This is my 8th year doing HPDE. Have had the SS1LE for the past 2 years. I just want to share my experience and thoughts. My previous hpde car had a full safety system set up including full roll cage, hans device, fire suppression et cetera and completely stripped out.

When i got the Camaro I still wanted some degree of safety above the stock setting. Everybody talks about the Hans device and race seating whenever they plan to upgrade to a "safer system".

In my Camaro i had a seat mount, race seat, 6pt harness and hans device and harness bar. There are many and severe problems in this set up.

My seat mount broke not because of any accident just from fatigue and failure.

I had read all the forums and the pros and cons of this setup and of course I ignored the information because I wanted this set up. Cool after all.


I started to think then, what is it that people die of from motor vehicle accidents. As a family physician I started to do some research. And I found that neck injury is not the primary cause death. I have provided an excellent link regarding motor vehicle accidents and fatalities.


"Causes of fatalities in motor vehicle occupants: an overview
Springer
July 2022
Forensic Science Medicine and Pathology 18(1)"


The key points:

1. Blunt force trauma is the most common lethal event frequently with a combination of injuries to the head, chest, abdomen and limbs.

2. A variety of other fatal situations may occur that may involve sharp force and penetrating trauma, incineration, drowning, asphyxia, organic diseases or combinations of these.

3. Mechanism may be immediately lethal or death may occur from post-trauma .


In basic summary, without getting to much detail, I would say either you do the entire system as defined by the race car organizations after decades of reseach or you keep it stock and rely on the excellent integrated system that Camaro has put together.

Yes, I know we're all going to die. There is no fool Proof system. This is a dangerous sport but we all love it.

Be safe, have fun and enjoy the privilege you have to do such a cool sport

Jack

So let me get this straight your saying if you install a roll bar not a Harness bar, race seats with the high end mounts that get secured to the factory points. Use 6pt harness with a hans device on track your safer with the stock set-up?

[jhuntd02526]

No sure. Because you have no data in that type of setup to prove or establish it is better. And likewise I have no data to show that my setup is better than what you described. We would need crash testing which will never be done. If anyone is aware of Crash testing videos on the harness setup I would love to see them.

Thanks for the comment
Jack

[20Bluezl1]

Originally Posted by jhuntd02526

No sure. Because you have no data in that type of setup to prove or establish it is better. And likewise I have no data to show that my setup is better than what you described. We would need crash testing which will never be done. If anyone is aware of Crash testing videos on the harness setup I would love to see them.

Thanks for the comment
Jack

Oem equipment is not tested in track settings also so not sure how that will perform.

[jhuntd02526]

Exactly, but a full race system is. Without question. I was still rather rely myself on the OEM system. We each have our reasons and I respect yours