[Chippy]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

This post makes no sense. So you're saying no one can modify their vehicles? I'm sorry yours is stock.

Not stock and tracked. You are the consummate forum troll guy with 2300 + posts. You feel you need to chirp about everything with your opinion. Unlike a person that posts that much others here have a life you should get one.

[JSH]

So, let's be clear here - it's drivel, not dribble

[SFV1LE]

Originally Posted by JSH

....the 1LE's lap in the video was not a hot lap but rather he left from the pits thus adding a few second's time

Where did you read this? I can't find it.

If you're saying this was a lap without any warm up lap then you're right that's a huge difference, and we can subtract 5+ seconds from that time--unless all of the top Ring times listed are done the same way. The 13 mile length of the Ring does make warm up laps difficult, it's like ~6 laps at a normal track.

3R tires are not sticky for at least 2-3 miles of hard driving, they take much longer than most DOT R comps to warm up but when they do they're the best overall DOT R comp IMO (they stick like Hoosiers or Pirelli DH).

[Gunkk]

Originally Posted by Gas

Looking for others opinion on the matter of if a ZLE can be daily driven.

Two thoughts:
* Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
* Your money, your car, do whatever the f you like.

Pick one and enjoy!

[HemiDave]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

One might say you two feel the same, but he is advocating a respectful 'live and let live' mindset while you are pushing a derisive "they can suck on it" attitude, the two are hardly equivalent.

(...bracing for incoming insults, being the owner of a lowly SS )

The mentioned ZL1 owner said "You are a typical 1LE owner and part of the problem with the reputation many of their owners have earned."...and I find that not advocating respect and very equivalent to "they can suck it".

Here's what I figured out from this thread: Don't get a ZL1 if you constantly want to justify it as being equivalent to a ZLE.

It's not the same....Ask Al O.

Enjoy what you have for what it is.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by Chippy

Not stock and tracked. You are the consummate forum troll guy with 2300 + posts. You feel you need to chirp about everything with your opinion. Unlike a person that posts that much others here have a life you should get one.

I certainly don't want your life, I'm quite happy with mine. Thanks for your concern though.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by HemiDave

The mentioned ZL1 owner said "You are a typical 1LE owner and part of the problem with the reputation many of their owners have earned."...and I find that not advocating respect and very equivalent to "they can suck it".

Here's what I figured out from this thread: Don't get a ZL1 if you constantly want to justify it as being equivalent to a ZLE.

It's not the same....Ask Al O.

Enjoy what you have for what it is.

HemiDave, I have no beef here with anyone, least of all you. Just to highlight the progression, Z OH 6 said "I agree though, enjoy what you own, it's not as if you can't change it if you want something else", then "no one hates the 1LE for what it is, some just don't care for the ride quality", and made coherent arguments throughout the thread.

Are some of his posts opinionated, yes, but always reasonable. Even the one time he did express disdain it wasn't overboard, saying "you are part of the problem with the reputation many have earned" is not personal, it calls out behavior. This thread on the other hand earned him a couple of nice labels such as "hater", "consummate forum troll", plus being told that "others here have a life you should get one", all personal insults.

I'm done with this thread, not because I want to believe I'm 100% right and bury my head in the sand, but because I realize I have neither a ZL1 nor a ZL1 1LE, so my activity here is somewhat unjustified

[HemiDave]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

HemiDave, I have no beef here with anyone, least of all you. Just to highlight the progression, Z OH 6 said "I agree though, enjoy what you own, it's not as if you can't change it if you want something else", then "no one hates the 1LE for what it is, some just don't care for the ride quality", and made coherent arguments throughout the thread.

Are some of his posts opinionated, yes, but always reasonable. Even the one time he did express disdain it wasn't overboard, saying "you are part of the problem with the reputation many have earned" is not personal, it calls out behavior. This thread on the other hand earned him a couple of nice labels such as "hater", "consummate forum troll", plus being told that "others here have a life you should get one", all personal insults.

I'm done with this thread, not because I want to believe I'm 100% right and bury my head in the sand, but because I realize I have neither a ZL1 nor a ZL1 1LE, so my activity here is somewhat unjustified

I have zero beef with you too my brutha...Its ALL GOOD.

We are all Camaro lovers here, no matter which one we have.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by SFV1LE

Where did you read this? I can't find it.

If you're saying this was a lap without any warm up lap then you're right that's a huge difference, and we can subtract 5+ seconds from that time--unless all of the top Ring times listed are done the same way. The 13 mile length of the Ring does make warm up laps difficult, it's like ~6 laps at a normal track.

3R tires are not sticky for at least 2-3 miles of hard driving, they take much longer than most DOT R comps to warm up but when they do they're the best overall DOT R comp IMO (they stick like Hoosiers or Pirelli DH).

The video is very findable on YouTube. Some heading like, ZL1 crew chief at Nurbergring discusses testing and laps. Because it wasn't a hot lap, I believe he estimated the final lap (starting from the pits) was 3 or 4 seconds slower than had it been after a hot lap.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by HemiDave

The mentioned ZL1 owner said "You are a typical 1LE owner and part of the problem with the reputation many of their owners have earned."...and I find that not advocating respect and very equivalent to "they can suck it".

Here's what I figured out from this thread: Don't get a ZL1 if you constantly want to justify it as being equivalent to a ZLE.

It's not the same....Ask Al O.

Enjoy what you have for what it is.

Here's the thing, a ZL1 and a ZL1 1LE are BOTH ZL1's, one just has an optional track package option like a sunroof option. Nothing exclusive about it. Its a GREAT track package for the money, you can't replicate it with a standard ZL1 for the same cost. That being said, its designed for the track which is why many people don't want a 1LE and that just seems to break many 1LE owners hearts when they think they aren't the envy of their peers. I think it's quite funny, so many 1LE owners actually think it's a higher model than the "standard" ZL1, some just let their egos believe that they're somehow better than standard ZL1 owners that didn't want the $7500 option track package. It's not about cost, it's about RIDE quality, it's the one major debatable point that ALWAYS comes up.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

HemiDave, I have no beef here with anyone, least of all you. Just to highlight the progression, Z OH 6 said "I agree though, enjoy what you own, it's not as if you can't change it if you want something else", then "no one hates the 1LE for what it is, some just don't care for the ride quality", and made coherent arguments throughout the thread.

Are some of his posts opinionated, yes, but always reasonable. Even the one time he did express disdain it wasn't overboard, saying "you are part of the problem with the reputation many have earned" is not personal, it calls out behavior. This thread on the other hand earned him a couple of nice labels such as "hater", "consummate forum troll", plus being told that "others here have a life you should get one", all personal insults.

I'm done with this thread, not because I want to believe I'm 100% right and bury my head in the sand, but because I realize I have neither a ZL1 nor a ZL1 1LE, so my activity here is somewhat unjustified

Appreciate your rationale.

[SFV1LE]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

The thing is, not everyone wants every part of the 1LE either. I have the front splitter and grills because I wanted the 30% more airflow to the cooling system. I have the 1LE wing because I wanted the downforce to go with the front splitter. I did NOT want the canards or the 19" wheels. I bought the pieces I wanted for the performance benefit, but clearly I'm not trying to imitate a 1LE. My car has 20" wheels and no canards. I also didn't want the hood wrap and mirror wrap from the 1LE.

Your sig says "Location: Racing" so I assumed you used your ZL1 for road course track events, is that not true or do you use your Z06 for that?

[HemiDave]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

Here's the thing, a ZL1 and a ZL1 1LE are BOTH ZL1's, one just has an optional track package option like a sunroof option. Nothing exclusive about it. I think it's quite funny, so many 1LE owners actually think it's a higher model than the "standard" ZL1, some just let their egos believe that they're somehow better than standard ZL1 owners that didn't want the $7500 option track package. .

The OP doesn't care about your opinion of ZLE owners, he just wanted to know if he could daily a ZLE. (Not a ZL1)

So if the OP choses to daily the ZLE will you label him an ego maniac who thinks he is better than you?

You know what else is an "option box"?
1) Viper ACR extreme aero package...
2) C7 ZR1 ZTK Track Pack...
3) GT500 Carbon Fiber Track Pack...

[HemiDave]

Originally Posted by SFV1LE

Where did you read this? I can't find it.

If you're saying this was a lap without any warm up lap then you're right that's a huge difference, and we can subtract 5+ seconds from that time--unless all of the top Ring times listed are done the same way. The 13 mile length of the Ring does make warm up laps difficult, it's like ~6 laps at a normal track.

3R tires are not sticky for at least 2-3 miles of hard driving, they take much longer than most DOT R comps to warm up but when they do they're the best overall DOT R comp IMO (they stick like Hoosiers or Pirelli DH).

Here's the vid where Al O is talking about this.

https://youtu.be/Xz6NrnAQMdA?t=142