[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by Mark R

I'll muddy the waters even more: You can stiffen up the handling of the ZL-1 with suspension goodies from BMR, and you can soften the edges of the 1-LE with different shocks and street tires.

True but you will never make a standard ZL1 as stiff as the 1LE and you won't ever make a 1LE as smooth as a standard ZL1. For a daily driver though, the ZL1 is 1000% superior because you have the option to soften the ride or make it much stiffer for occasional track duty. You can't really soften a 1LE up enough to make it a good daily driver. Of course we all know you can add the aero components and wheels and tires to the standard ZL1 to close the gap even further for track use. I'd be willing to bet a standard ZL1 in track mode with 1LE wheels and tires and aero components is so close to a 1LE track times that it's not even worth debating between them.

[CW3SF]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

True but you will never make a standard ZL1 as stiff as the 1LE and you won't ever make a 1LE as smooth as a standard ZL1. For a daily driver though, the ZL1 is 1000% superior because you have the option to soften the ride or make it much stiffer for occasional track duty. You can't really soften a 1LE up enough to make it a good daily driver. Of course we all know you can add the aero components and wheels and tires to the standard ZL1 to close the gap even further for track use. I'd be willing to bet a standard ZL1 in track mode with 1LE wheels and tires and aero components is so close to a 1LE track times that it's not even worth debating between them.

This right here.

The ZL1 is no slouch on a road course in its own right, even in stock form. I’d bet more often than not a ZL1 driver is not capable of pushing a ZL1 to its limits, much less pushing a ZL1 1LE to its limits.

[HemiDave]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

I'd be willing to bet a standard ZL1 in track mode with 1LE wheels and tires and aero components is so close to a 1LE track times that it's not even worth debating between them.

Part of the reason for the ZLE's ultra stiff suspension is to stop the aero downforce from smashing the suspension into the pavement.

I bet a ZL1 in stiff suspension mode on track would have compromised handling with 1LE aero because it's just not stiff enough.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by HemiDave

Part of the reason for the ZLE's ultra stiff suspension is to stop the aero downforce from smashing the suspension into the pavement.

I bet a ZL1 in stiff suspension mode on track would have compromised handling with 1LE aero because it's just not stiff enough.

Naa

[HemiDave]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

Naa

It's ok to have a ZL1.

You can make it look like a ZLE, but thats about it, unless you get into the suspension...but then that defeats the purpose of this whole thread.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by HemiDave

It's ok to have a ZL1.

You can make it look like a ZLE, but thats about it, unless you get into the suspension...but then that defeats the purpose of this whole thread.

Yeah, you can get 98% of the 1LE by just adding the 1LE components. That's still far more than anyone here can extract out of these vehicles on a track.

[HemiDave]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

Yeah, you can get 98% of the 1LE by just adding the 1LE components. That's still far more than anyone here can extract out of these vehicles on a track.

By the 2nd lap you wont even see the ZLE anymore....Probably even by the first lap.

But then again, you don't get a ZL1 to beat a ZLE on track, you get it because its more sensible for the road...or faster at the drag strip/street because it lacks the aero drag.

Not to mention the cost to add those OEM ZLE parts on a ZL1 puts you way over the MSRP of a ZLE.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by HemiDave

By the 2nd lap you wont even see the ZLE anymore....Probably even by the first lap.

Not to mention the cost to add those OEM ZLE parts on a ZL1 puts you way over the MSRP of a ZLE.

LOL, I can tell you've never raced on a track, your lack of experience shows with this post. The 1LE package offers a lot and you're right you would be hard pressed to beat the cost buying those parts individually although you can beat if you buy some parts used, however a 1LE will never have magnetic ride adjustable suspension so it will always be missing that.

[HemiDave]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

LOL, I can tell you've never raced on a track, your lack of experience shows with this post. The 1LE package offers a lot and you're right you would be hard pressed to beat the cost buying those parts individually although you can beat if you buy some parts used, however a 1LE will never have magnetic ride adjustable suspension so it will always be missing that.

I have raced on track plenty of times "Nostradamus", bikes and cars.

When I break in my ZLE it will be going on track.

Also, if I wanted "magnetic ride" I would have just got a ZL1, but I wanted the track version.

Sounds like you really wanted a ZLE after all lol.

[JSH]

Since this thread has inevitably been hijacked off of DD and onto racing, the '18 1LE was 13 seconds quicker around Nurburgring. You can't expect to overcome such a dramatic difference by gluing canards onto the front of your ZL1, lol

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by HemiDave

I have raced on track plenty of times "Nostradamus", bikes and cars.

When I break in my ZLE it will be going on track.

Also, if I wanted "magnetic ride" I would have just got a ZL1, but I wanted the track version.

Sounds like you really wanted a ZLE after all lol.

I absolutely did NOT want a 1LE. I bought exactly what I wanted and have ZERO regrets. People like you give 1LE owners a bad reputation because you like to ASSume everyone else wants a 1LE when that couldn't be further from the truth. They aren't hard to get, the used car market is flooded with them.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by JSH

Since this thread has inevitably been hijacked off of DD and onto racing, the '18 1LE was 13 seconds quicker around Nurburgring

LOL, that sounds impressive until you consider that's a a 7 minute lap. 99% of tracks aren't that long so the gap to a standard ZL1 would be MUCH smaller on every other track known to man. How many 1LE owners have run their car at the ring, I'll go ahead and say none here and very few total in the world. Basically spouting off Nurburgin numbers is talking hypothetical performance vs real-world since no ZL1 owners race there. All that being said, I will never say a 1LE isn't quicker off the showroom floor than a standard ZL1 on a road course with a professional driver. Most amateur drivers will never be able to extract the potential of the 1LE so ultimately, 1LE owners just like to talk hypothetical performance vs real world. I live in the real world.

[LeonardS]

The ZLE haters always show up. I don’t understand why they have so much hate. I don’t have anything against your choice to purchase a standard ZL1, but it’s not a car I or many others want. Enjoy what you have and get along with all the Camaro guys.

[Newcastle]

If you track often and want a ZL1 then get the 1LE. Most of us will never see or rarely see a track. Thats where the ZL1 shines IMO. The ZL1LE with its stiff suspension wouldnt be worth it as a daily.....for me. We are all different so different strokes for different folks.