[Camaro1LTBA]

I never liked the setup Ford initially introduced with the V6 as the base model, then the T4, then the V8. For the 2018 MY, Ford has done away completely with the V6 Mustang and will only produce the T4 and V8. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong!? Please, lol.

I bring this up here because I was very happy with how GM decided to introduce a 4 cylinder into the Camaro brand. It just makes more sense to me for the T4 to be your base, a nice V6, and a monster V8. In that order.

I'm kinda surprised none of the Mustang guys seem to care, but maybe I'm looking in the wrong places... was never a Mustang fan although I did own one lol... back in the day when there was only a V6 or V8 to choose from.

I don't mind having the T4 as an option; I actually like it and may consider one or a V6 next go round in a few years if I decide to go with something a tiny bit more practical and would love to be able to choose between a fun to drive T4 vs a really nice V6 engine (pros and cons for both).

I guess for some reason I'm overly bothered by this move. I know that the business models are slightly different for the Camaro, but I'd really hate to see GM follow and do away with the V6 engine. It fits well in the lineup and I'm very fond of the current three main options available.

Am I the only one urked by this and concerned our refresh may come with an engine deleted?

[classicrockr]

I surely hope not. I had the V6 in my 5th & now in my 6th.

I've heard many theories over time (T4 = decreased engine life, etc) and I think each engine has it's place for the market. The T4 is less expensive and definitely has a specific target audience.

The V8 is more expensive and many people don't want/need that much power and that's why they go with the V6.

Hopefully they'll keep the V6

[MiamiBlueCamaro]

Old news :
http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=474248

[SSport16]

Honestly from what I have read, GM is going to stop producing so many 4 cylinder engines, they are not so practical as originally thought to be...going bigger is actually better and more efficient, as well as better durability. I actually just read something on this very topic the other day, GM's so called experiment with 4 cylinder and turbo 4's is coming to end at some point in the very near future...think about it, the 2.0T still really needs high octane gas, it is not much more fuel efficient than the LT1/V6 in the Camaro, really does not make sense to even have it as an option in my opinion. I have driven the Buick Envision with the 2.0T, hated it...should have the 3.6 V6 in it, much better engine. Yes I know the Envision and Camaro are 2 different types of vehicles, but same type of thing with the engines, no need for the 2.0T that really requires 91 + fuel in it and it only gets 26 on the HWY! The new XT5 gets 27, which is heavier, bigger and has the 3.6 V6!

[Camaro1LTBA]

Wow that thread was from November! Definitely didn't seem to be much interest, but just stating the obvious. I guess with the use of the V6 in other vehicles, why drop it? On the other hand, Ford went from two options (primary) to three, now back to two. It'll be interesting to see how GM responds.

I also had two Gen5 V6's; a 2010 and 2014. The T4 definitely has a specific target audience. Many have wanted the T4, but hopefully not at the expense of the V6. There's just too much of a gap in my opinion without all three. Not sure how the Fords are rated.

Interested that you couldn't even option up a V6 Mustang. Didn't know that, just that it was the base model in HP. Guess the bean counters may fight a bit now that Ford is back to two options, but we (GM) has a really good V6. I'd like to see some more work on the T4 and to keep all three options.

Thanks... didn't realize this was such old news. Found a Mustang forum and believe that Ford just officially announced all of this along with the upgrades. With all of the upgrades, the Mustang seems more on par with the Camaro. I'd personally enjoy the lane assist and front camera (at least throw some parking sensors in the front).

Anyway, I'll browse around the Mustang forum. Was just surprised there wasn't a huge outcry over this unless I missed it. Looking forward to the Camaro refresh to see what GM does. Thanks again for the previous info and discussion I missed.

[Richard0nee]

I had a 4 banger ecoboost Mustang once.. Tried to get rid of it after a month lol. That car sounded great inside since the speakers are pumping engine noise in the cabin. From the outside, it's horrible and the V6 sounds better.

Not sure why Ford handicapped the V6 and I hope Chevy doesn't follow suit.

[mariojmoe]

I think the 2.0 thing in certain cars across the board is a not so great idea. The full sized impala has it as a base option (way too big and heavy car for that engine), the cts base, a shit ton of the buicks, and probably something else I'm forgetting. If they want to target the Camaro with it so be it. I personally (no pun intended) feel the Camaro should have 3 options 3.6, lt1, and lt4. If I want a turbo 4 cyl then I would just buy a Hyundai Veloster or genesis coupe. Again this my humble opinion and has no merit on anything

[Lafourche1]

The V6 is used in a lot of other GM vehicles as an engine upgrade over the T4. Not having driven the T4, I cannot make a valid comparison. However, the V6 felt decently powerful, fairly refined (a bit buzzy up top) and ran on regular gas. Making an engine run more smoothly befitting a luxury car (Cadillac) would benefit all of the other models.

Just for informational purposes, the new Turbo 4 engines in the new Porsches get worse gas mileage than the flat 6s they are replacing. Also, speaking from some experience, our blown 3.0 V6 in the Cat gets worse mileage than the 5.0 V8 we had in an earlier model and even worse hiway mileage than the 5.0 V8 in the XJ, which was a much bigger and heavier car.

[Rich S]

Originally Posted by Richard0nee

I had a 4 banger ecoboost Mustang once.. Tried to get rid of it after a month lol. That car sounded great inside since the speakers are pumping engine noise in the cabin. From the outside, it's horrible and the V6 sounds better.

Not sure why Ford handicapped the V6 and I hope Chevy doesn't follow suit.

Me too, Had the EB for a few months and traded it for the GT. Then my wife would never let me drive it so bought a Z51 and had some issues, traded it for a new Z51 and sold it and not have a SS1LE. Too cold to compare but I like it so far.

I knew I had to get rid of it when a Maserati pulled up next to me at a stop light and revved it up and that little EB was pathetic sounding. After a tune it was no slouch but really prefer the muscle sound of the GT. This SS1LE sound is on a whole other lever though!

[ron scubadiver]

Turbo 4's in Porsches are a real step backwards. Real slow 5-60 runs, they must almost bog. These motors may use more fuel in practice, but they probably test better.

[one R]

when ford brought out that v6 in 2011 it was nearly as good as the v8 ford had the year before in power and with the then car upgrades it was as fast as it on a road corse . however it lost power due to a resigned hood slope . and they never brought the power back up . I have seen that motor supercharged and turbo,d . Much unlike the the offered 4 cy eco bost it was reliable . Seems ford may have turned the attention in a wrong direction , that may enplane the incredible ugly nose( IMHO) for the 18 model . And why I bought a camaro and not a mustang

[Richard0nee]

Originally Posted by Rich S

Me too, Had the EB for a few months and traded it for the GT. Then my wife would never let me drive it so bought a Z51 and had some issues, traded it for a new Z51 and sold it and not have a SS1LE. Too cold to compare but I like it so far.

I knew I had to get rid of it when a Maserati pulled up next to me at a stop light and revved it up and that little EB was pathetic sounding. After a tune it was no slouch but really prefer the muscle sound of the GT. This SS1LE sound is on a whole other lever though!

So you sold the GT to get the Z51 and now have a 1LE? Looks like it worked out good for at the end.

That EB was embarrassing being my primary car (I have a beater DD) and the fact that it was in a Mustang body. Tried trading it in for the 5.0 and almost did. Waited it out, test drove the SS and never looked back at a 5.0 again

[KMPrenger]

This thread covers the topic well enough: http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=480892. No need to do it here all over again.

Regardless, we all knew Ford was going to kill off the V6 when the new Mustang hit the streets a few years ago. They neutered that car by not offering it with upgraded interior trim/features or the performance package. Chevrolet has not neutered the V6 at all. It will be around at least through this generation.

[Camaro1LTBA]

Thanks for all the feedback and stories. This is news to me RE Ford so I apologize for a reworded repost. Must've missed them at the time. I'm still not sure a link to a two page thread really covers it...

You know if GM came out and decided to put the Z/28 logo on the 4 cylinder, there'd be madness; and pages upon pages of it. Well it is what it is and I've had some good reads on it here so I appreciate that, but would have expected more over on the Mustang side.

I guess it just goes to my initial shock of just finding out that next year the Mustang will be either a 4 cylinder or 8 cylinder. Just crazy to me and wondered where any of the fan fuss about it was especially when I found none on the Mustang forums.

Logically, being a direct competitor, I wondered if GM could get away with deleting an engine. Hopefully not for this or the next generation! Thanks again.