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Old 05-05-2022, 03:07 PM   #15
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Different customers. Some people want 4 seats, some are okay with two. Most of those that want a Vette, wouldn't consider a Camaro. No matter what it had in it. The LT5 in the ZL1 would have put the ZL1 with, if not ahead of the GT500 and Redeye as far as acceleration goes. Unfortunately, it's not gonna happen.

But GM still has a history of protecting the Corvette name. Hell, the GNX from the 80s was rated at lower HP than a Corvette from the same year, even though it was a well known fact that the GNX was sandbagging its HP numbers to keep the "status quo". It's a shame that GM is more concerned with its shareholders these days and not its customers, as I'd love to see more GNX, GTOs and other specialty vehicles produced. Granted, that seems to be the case for a lot of companies these days. I always kept hoping that GM was going to let Buick create a newer version of the GNX as a way of justifying keeping Buick around.
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Old 05-05-2022, 03:22 PM   #16
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Has carbon build up on the intake valves been a problem for anyone with the LT4? Haven't heard any complaints about it and it's been around a while now.
I think you know the answer to that - how many owners get their valves scoped? Basically none. It's a problem if you don't run a cc
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Old 05-05-2022, 03:34 PM   #17
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But GM still has a history of protecting the Corvette name. Hell, the GNX from the 80s was rated at lower HP than a Corvette from the same year, even though it was a well known fact that the GNX was sandbagging its HP numbers to keep the "status quo". It's a shame that GM is more concerned with its shareholders these days and not its customers, as I'd love to see more GNX, GTOs and other specialty vehicles produced. Granted, that seems to be the case for a lot of companies these days. I always kept hoping that GM was going to let Buick create a newer version of the GNX as a way of justifying keeping Buick around.
It's a shitty balance, but unfortunately I feel like they're leaning too far on the shareholders end. Sure their decisions improve short term sales, but if they keep sacrificing their halo models, at some point GM will start going down the path of Mitsubishi. As much as I don't get it, the fact is people buy Blazers, Cruzes, and other shit that makes GM money because it shares a manufacturer as the Camaro/Corvette.

Just like how just by existing the Audi R8 sells tarted up VW GTIs via the Audi A3.
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Old 05-05-2022, 03:45 PM   #18
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It's a shitty balance, but unfortunately I feel like they're leaning too far on the shareholders end. Sure their decisions improve short term sales, but if they keep sacrificing their halo models, at some point GM will start going down the path of Mitsubishi. As much as I don't get it, the fact is people buy Blazers, Cruzes, and other shit that makes GM money because it shares a manufacturer as the Camaro/Corvette.

Just like how just by existing the Audi R8 sells tarted up VW GTIs via the Audi A3.
Why not just learn from dodge and put that most powerful engine you have in literally everything. It’s a simple formula that works and sells. I’d get a Vette, but I’d like to be able to go places with my wife and son, so the Vette isn’t an option for me. It would be nice to have options
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Old 05-05-2022, 04:44 PM   #19
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Why not just learn from dodge and put that most powerful engine you have in literally everything. It’s a simple formula that works and sells. I’d get a Vette, but I’d like to be able to go places with my wife and son, so the Vette isn’t an option for me. It would be nice to have options
Right, I'm the same. If it were just me and my wife a Vette could work but I have two boys he like cars and go with me to car shows and cars and coffee so I need 4 seats.

It's not an either-or situation. There are people if the Vette and Camaro put down the same number, same engine would buy either one depending on their needs.

In my none-corporate mind, one wouldn't steal sales from the other. Being as I have children that like to do stuff with me a Vette never came across my mind so me buying a Camaro didn't steal a sale from the Vette.
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Old 05-05-2022, 05:57 PM   #20
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But GM still has a history of protecting the Corvette name. Hell, the GNX from the 80s was rated at lower HP than a Corvette from the same year, even though it was a well known fact that the GNX was sandbagging its HP numbers to keep the "status quo". It's a shame that GM is more concerned with its shareholders these days and not its customers, as I'd love to see more GNX, GTOs and other specialty vehicles produced. Granted, that seems to be the case for a lot of companies these days. I always kept hoping that GM was going to let Buick create a newer version of the GNX as a way of justifying keeping Buick around.
You literally just described every company these days...
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Old 05-05-2022, 05:59 PM   #21
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Most notable difference I think is the LT5 uses port injection and direct injection, the LT4 uses only direct injection.

Has carbon build up on the intake valves been a problem for anyone with the LT4? Haven't heard any complaints about it and it's been around a while now.



Different customers. Some people want 4 seats, some are okay with two. Most of those that want a Vette, wouldn't consider a Camaro. No matter what it had in it. The LT5 in the ZL1 would have put the ZL1 with, if not ahead of the GT500 and Redeye as far as acceleration goes. Unfortunately, it's not gonna happen.

I have somewhat of an answer to the carbon build up question. Here is a pic of my heads and vlv's disassembled for my build after 10 K mi. Builder said everything looked really good. Cleaned them all up like new and are now running in my build. No CC during that time.
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Old 05-05-2022, 06:14 PM   #22
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I have somewhat of an answer to the carbon build up question. Here is a pic of my heads and vlv's disassembled for my build after 10 K mi. Builder said everything looked really good. Cleaned them all up like new and are now running in my build. No CC during that time.
Nice, did you have a catch can?
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Old 05-05-2022, 07:33 PM   #23
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What's not to get? GM doesn't want to have their most expensive Corvette outperformed by the Camaro. Would you buy the most expensive Corvette if you knew the most expensive Camaro beats it around the track?

IMO, that doesnt really pan out because vette people buy vettes and camaro people buy camaros for the most part. Sure, there's a bit of crossover but not in a way that makes vette owners camaro owners in droves.



They didnt really build many 2019 ZR1's and they could have made a limited amount of LT5 camaros. Its not without precedent. Under 1000 LT5 ZL1's wouldnt have made much if any impact on corvette sales. In fact, it would have pushed me to buy a new camaro instead of keeping what I have.
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IMO, that doesnt really pan out because vette people buy vettes and camaro people buy camaros for the most part. Sure, there's a bit of crossover but not in a way that makes vette owners camaro owners in droves.



They didnt really build many 2019 ZR1's and they could have made a limited amount of LT5 camaros. Its not without precedent. Under 1000 LT5 ZL1's wouldnt have made much if any impact on corvette sales. In fact, it would have pushed me to buy a new camaro instead of keeping what I have.
I have owned multiple Vettes. I went ZL1 instead this time because there are just too many Vettes everywhere I look. I like having cars that have at least a little bit of uniqueness. I hardly ever see ZL1s on the road.
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Nice, did you have a catch can?
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I have owned multiple Vettes. I went ZL1 instead this time because there are just too many Vettes everywhere I look. I like having cars that have at least a little bit of uniqueness. I hardly ever see ZL1s on the road.
Facts, I think I'm the only one in my town lol.

According to car gurus, there's only 33 others out there for sale in my exact spec & color.

I like that uniqueness.
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I could swear it was the same longblock or at least rotating assembly? I would like to see the differences if someone has part #s please.
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Old 05-05-2022, 10:40 PM   #28
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I have owned multiple Vettes. I went ZL1 instead this time because there are just too many Vettes everywhere I look. I like having cars that have at least a little bit of uniqueness. I hardly ever see ZL1s on the road.
6th gen ZL1s are almost nonexistent in my neck of the woods, I know a few local owners are here on the forums, but I have yet to see a single 6th gen ZL1 myself.

In fact, the 6th gen SS is also pretty rare, I have seen very few of those. 5th gens are way more common, but are dwarfed by the literal sea of Mustangs and Challengers.
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