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RupertPupkin · 02-18-2022, 09:47 PM

Decided to stick with the ECS kit, but just upgrade the blower. Too many parts to swap around with going TT. When it’s all said and done it’s 5k more for the TT. From the looks of it, easy 1000whp with the 2200r.

TMS 408
ECS 2200R

Should I just do the 2200X? Does the billet impeller really make a difference? With the X, I would have to upgrade to the 10rib setup, and that would be and extra 1k$

ttshovel · 02-22-2022, 05:09 AM

I absolutely would do the x and 10 rib. surface area on the belt will only help a belt live and not slip at that power level.

Billet wheels make a big difference for us turbo folks. I'd imagine it would be the same for the blower guys.

RupertPupkin · 02-22-2022, 09:19 PM

At that point I might as well do the TT setup if going with the X. Going to the R doesn’t require the 10 rib conversion. Cost difference wouldn’t be as substantial

eLeSthree · 02-28-2022, 03:52 PM

It's your budget man, dont ask anyone else. 1000whp is a lot to handle in a stick car. Hopefully your clutch and fuel system is up for that.

RealQuick · 03-01-2022, 02:16 PM

What are the goals performance wise?

stevieturbo · 03-02-2022, 02:54 PM

Stick with the R....if you're not happy with it later, then re-consider

RupertPupkin · 03-02-2022, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eLeSthree

It's your budget man, dont ask anyone else. 1000whp is a lot to handle in a stick car. Hopefully your clutch and fuel system is up for that.

I’ve accounted for the long block, fuel pump, and injectors. I’m just trying to swap out as minimal parts as possible when it comes to the FI part.

I know I have to swap my fuel pump and injectors out, and the clutch should be fine. Not doing any dig races, so my McLeod should hold up nicely.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealQuick

What are the goals performance wise?

1000 to the wheel, and a highway baby hauler. Lol

cc-rider · 03-02-2022, 08:55 PM

Can you elaborate more on what other mods you have already done? When you get to the 800+ range…heads, throttle bodies, and other things that are considered “little” gains at stock through 600hp range really start to deliver. Perhaps you already have those things done.

It’s all about displacement, airflow, and octane/timing in the end. Anything that affects that needs to be addressed to hit the 1k.

Sounds like a good build. I’m working on my blown engine now myself. But I’m shooting for the 800 hp level. Which you’ve already achieved. Good luck!

RealQuick · 03-03-2022, 07:37 AM

If its just a peak number you are looking for, then go with the blower... it should get you there.

RupertPupkin · 03-03-2022, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cc-rider

Can you elaborate more on what other mods you have already done? When you get to the 800+ range…heads, throttle bodies, and other things that are considered “little” gains at stock through 600hp range really start to deliver. Perhaps you already have those things done.

It’s all about displacement, airflow, and octane/timing in the end. Anything that affects that needs to be addressed to hit the 1k.

Sounds like a good build. I’m working on my blown engine now myself. But I’m shooting for the 800 hp level. Which you’ve already achieved. Good luck!

McLeod RXT
DSX Aux pump- swapping to fore triples or AGP triples
FIC 127lbs- swapping to ID1300/1700 or FIC 1650 (depends on shop)
ECS 1500- Going 2200r/x
Cam only LS3 (Blew up)- swapping to TMS 408

BiggFoot · 03-03-2022, 04:56 PM

Nice, your torque will suck a hernia back in place when you are done. You're definitely going to need more blower to fill those additional cubes. Always better to go big from the beginning. Just like now you want to make the jump from 800 to 1000 hp then two years from now you will want 1200-1300. If you can afford it, put a big azz TT in so you have enough air no matter what you want down the line and call it good. One and done!

PoleCat2SSRS2010 · 03-05-2022, 02:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RupertPupkin

McLeod RXT
DSX Aux pump- swapping to fore triples or AGP triples
FIC 127lbs- swapping to ID1300/1700 or FIC 1650 (depends on shop)
ECS 1500- Going 2200r/x
Cam only LS3 (Blew up)- swapping to TMS 408

This is just general feed back. In the end you decide.
Not trying to threadjack. Just letting you know what works for me.
I went with a short-block with a 4.125 bore x 3.750 stroke = ~401 CID with performance heads and 10.8:1 flat tops and a Kong 2650. The bigger blower compared to the LSA is just a comparison to represent the increase in air input. Not meant to be a PD vs Centri vs turbo conversation. The greater airflow is all relative.
The shorter stroke has slower piston velocity than longer strokes combinations and allows for greater push by the boost. The longer strokes have faster piston velocity and require added boost to "chase" the piston that moves faster than the shorter stroke combination.
A6L90 transmission
Fore triple with return.
Cam is comparable to a BTR stage 4 (it has a lot of chop)
Using IDA 1300s to be able to use E85 and the 1300s tend to be more stable for drivability. If the engine ever needs more fuel I can always crank up the pressure at the regulator. Fuel trims on the tune are good and the Lambda averages .987 to 1.03.
The engine combo with the LSA blower made 810 rwhp. It was a handful then and even more now with the bigger Kong. The bigger blower makes an additional 140 and demands a bigger air intake and a NW103 throttle body. Still has great street manners.

Be sure to break in the new mill with a good zinc mixed oil.

Hope it helps. Good luck with your build.

hillshooter · 03-05-2022, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PoleCat2SSRS2010

This is just general feed back. In the end you decide.
Not trying to threadjack. Just letting you know what works for me.
I went with a short-block with a 4.125 bore x 3.750 stroke = ~401 CID with performance heads and 10.8:1 flat tops and a Kong 2650. The bigger blower compared to the LSA is just a comparison to represent the increase in air input. Not meant to be a PD vs Centri vs turbo conversation. The greater airflow is all relative.
The shorter stroke has slower piston velocity than longer strokes combinations and allows for greater push by the boost. The longer strokes have faster piston velocity and require added boost to "chase" the piston that moves faster than the shorter stroke combination.
A6L90 transmission
Fore triple with return.
Cam is comparable to a BTR stage 4 (it has a lot of chop)
Using IDA 1300s to be able to use E85 and the 1300s tend to be more stable for drivability. If the engine ever needs more fuel I can always crank up the pressure at the regulator. Fuel trims on the tune are good and the Lambda averages .987 to 1.03.
The engine combo with the LSA blower made 810 rwhp. It was a handful then and even more now with the bigger Kong. The bigger blower makes an additional 140 and demands a bigger air intake and a NW103 throttle body. Still has great street manners.

Be sure to break in the new mill with a good zinc mixed oil.

Hope it helps. Good luck with your build.

One day they may even be able to prove old internet myths about short stroke on the dyno.

AGP Turbo · 03-08-2022, 12:55 PM

You've got to overcome worrying about +- a couple thousand dollars. Keep in mind the cost of boost control that will become super important to you once you have 1000+ whp. And keep in mind the going TT will need 15% less fuel delivery since you aren't loosing 15% to spin the blower up.
And lastly, if a couple thousand bucks is going to break the bank for you, then for sure don't pursue building 1000+whp car.

02-18-2022, 09:47 PM	#1
RupertPupkin Drives: 2014 Camaro SS 1Le Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: IL Posts: 1,592	Thoughts on setup Decided to stick with the ECS kit, but just upgrade the blower. Too many parts to swap around with going TT. When it’s all said and done it’s 5k more for the TT. From the looks of it, easy 1000whp with the 2200r. TMS 408 ECS 2200R Should I just do the 2200X? Does the billet impeller really make a difference? With the X, I would have to upgrade to the 10rib setup, and that would be and extra 1k$ __________________ 2014 SS 1LE Money Pit/ Forged 402 CAM 22X/24X, .619/.617, 113 LSA/ LS9 Heads FIC 1200cc/DSX Aux Pump//McLeod RXT Clutch 730whp: 630Trq

02-22-2022, 05:09 AM	#2
ttshovel Drives: 12 camaro ss, 72 chevelle, 91camaro Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: findlay,oh Posts: 2,069	I absolutely would do the x and 10 rib. surface area on the belt will only help a belt live and not slip at that power level. Billet wheels make a big difference for us turbo folks. I'd imagine it would be the same for the blower guys. __________________ 12 camaro ss 427lsx, th400, f310 heads, crower shaft mounts, gpi specd solid roller, shearerfab 2k hp a/w, twin bullseye 88mm turbos, hughes pro ssx bolt together converter, holley dominator, 8.50 cert, backhalf, Ford 9", 33x17x16 tires, c16 fuel

02-22-2022, 09:19 PM	#3
RupertPupkin Drives: 2014 Camaro SS 1Le Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: IL Posts: 1,592	At that point I might as well do the TT setup if going with the X. Going to the R doesn’t require the 10 rib conversion. Cost difference wouldn’t be as substantial __________________ 2014 SS 1LE Money Pit/ Forged 402 CAM 22X/24X, .619/.617, 113 LSA/ LS9 Heads FIC 1200cc/DSX Aux Pump//McLeod RXT Clutch 730whp: 630Trq

02-28-2022, 03:52 PM	#4
eLeSthree Drives: 2011 Camaro SS 6sp Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Drivers Seat Posts: 1,904	It's your budget man, dont ask anyone else. 1000whp is a lot to handle in a stick car. Hopefully your clutch and fuel system is up for that. __________________ 2011 Camaro SS---SOLD TMS Dart 427 FED M311s, ESS Tuning G4 Blower, DSX Triple FP Assembly, DSX FF, FIC1300, Mcleod RXT 1200HD, Edlebrock Pro Flo XT 1158whp 1017wtq. 2010 CTS-V A6 - "Stock" SOLD 630whp 658wtq 2024 F-150 RCSB 5.0 4x4 waiting for tunes...

03-01-2022, 02:16 PM	#5
RealQuick Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS M6 - Intake/Exhaust Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Bridgewater Posts: 693	What are the goals performance wise? __________________ 2010 Camaro SS M6 - 416ci TT 989rwhp/1031rwtq @ 20psi 2014 ZL1 A6 Vert - Headers and CAI

03-02-2022, 02:54 PM	#6
stevieturbo Drives: it changes Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Norn Iron Posts: 1,126	Stick with the R....if you're not happy with it later, then re-consider

03-02-2022, 08:55 PM	#8
cc-rider Drives: 2010 Camaro SS Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: MN Posts: 1,172	Can you elaborate more on what other mods you have already done? When you get to the 800+ range…heads, throttle bodies, and other things that are considered “little” gains at stock through 600hp range really start to deliver. Perhaps you already have those things done. It’s all about displacement, airflow, and octane/timing in the end. Anything that affects that needs to be addressed to hit the 1k. Sounds like a good build. I’m working on my blown engine now myself. But I’m shooting for the 800 hp level. Which you’ve already achieved. Good luck!

03-03-2022, 07:37 AM	#9
RealQuick Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS M6 - Intake/Exhaust Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Bridgewater Posts: 693	If its just a peak number you are looking for, then go with the blower... it should get you there. __________________ 2010 Camaro SS M6 - 416ci TT 989rwhp/1031rwtq @ 20psi 2014 ZL1 A6 Vert - Headers and CAI

03-03-2022, 04:56 PM	#11
BiggFoot Drives: 2010 Camaro (M6) 1000+ HP SBE Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 1,391	Nice, your torque will suck a hernia back in place when you are done. You're definitely going to need more blower to fill those additional cubes. Always better to go big from the beginning. Just like now you want to make the jump from 800 to 1000 hp then two years from now you will want 1200-1300. If you can afford it, put a big azz TT in so you have enough air no matter what you want down the line and call it good. One and done! __________________ F-1X, Cog Drive, ATI Super Pulley/Sprag ~ 19 psi Blower Cam Brodix BP BR 3 Heads Kooks LT Headers and full 3" exhaust Fore Triple Pump Fuel System with ID 1700X Injectors - E85 conversion DSS 9” Conversion (1400 hp axles, driveshaft, pumpkin) & Strange 3.70 gears McLeod RXT Twin HD Clutch & Upgraded Slave RPM Level VII TR6060 BMR Drag Suspension Package w/Strange shocks Carlyle 15" and M/T ET Street R radials 10.1 @ 143 mph 1/4 mile

03-08-2022, 12:55 PM	#14
AGP Turbo Drives: All things Turbocharged Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: AZ Posts: 1,199	You've got to overcome worrying about +- a couple thousand dollars. Keep in mind the cost of boost control that will become super important to you once you have 1000+ whp. And keep in mind the going TT will need 15% less fuel delivery since you aren't loosing 15% to spin the blower up. And lastly, if a couple thousand bucks is going to break the bank for you, then for sure don't pursue building 1000+whp car.