[KingLT1]

a dyno is not going to truly represent the gains of a CAI or Ram Air system anyway. The only way to get a true measurement is by track testing. A car going 100 mph on the road is completely different then hitting 100mph on the dyno.

[1slowssm6]

track testing falls right back into the same issue though,car runs 12.0 stock intake,gm cai and flashed it runs 12.1,was it the cai? was it the launch? was it the da? there is such a tiny gain out of a cai you would never notice it on a stock car,on a dyno,or at a track,any difference you see is gonna be in the realm of error or air,heat,launch etc

[Xbrentx]

Did you read the first post? Basically 12 sec car before 13 after huge difference we need more info

[1slowssm6]

yeah and in the first post he also has no idea on differences in the da on both track days,for all we know what he thinks was great air was a high da vs before,he went from 1.8 60 to a 2.11 60ft,there is nothing to compare there,if he was running the same 60ft and actually told us the mph differences we could possibly go from there,but far as ive read he never stated either.

[RCF]

Losing that much time in the quarter, all else being equal, would be like losing approx 70hp... no way any properly installed CAI is going to have that kind of impact.

[Xbrentx]

Well maybee but bad flash can do that

[RCF]

Originally Posted by Xbrentx

Well maybee but bad flash can do that

Agreed, bad install or bad flash can definitely cause significant issues... that's why I mentioned previously that I thought that had to be at least part of the issues we've heard about the GM CAI.

[Xbrentx]

Sure hope so it def sounds better but feels slower more like 5th Gen stock

[JKO]

Originally Posted by 1slowssm6

yeah and in the first post he also has no idea on differences in the da on both track days,for all we know what he thinks was great air was a high da vs before,he went from 1.8 60 to a 2.11 60ft,there is nothing to compare there,if he was running the same 60ft and actually told us the mph differences we could possibly go from there,but far as ive read he never stated either.

I am not here to argue so I won't but I will defend myself I didn't answer the DA question or even add it to the 1st post I knew there would be some kid/person that has a Camaro and thinks it makes him an expert on racing and tuning I have been racing for more then 25 yrs and have never seen more than 4 tenth difference on any of my race cars eight tenths of a second is beyond that I have run this car in very dense and very thin air the car never ran more then 2 tenths off so thank you for your concern but I don't need your comments any longer .

1 more question do you need the DA's to determine if August day of 100 deg. is better or worse then a September day that a cold front pushes through drops air temp to 61 degs. I don't .

To everyone else I appreciate the input I have contacted the dealership they are looking into it and I will more than likely return car to stock air box and tune.

[1slowssm6]

Originally Posted by JKO

I am not here to argue so I won't but I will defend myself I didn't answer the DA question or even add it to the 1st post I knew there would be some kid/person that has a Camaro and thinks it makes him an expert on racing and tuning I have been racing for more then 25 yrs and have never seen more than 4 tenth difference on any of my race cars eight tenths of a second is beyond that I have run this car in very dense and very thin air the car never ran more then 2 tenths off so thank you for your concern but I don't need your comments any longer .

1 more question do you need the DA's to determine if August day of 100 deg. is better or worse then a September day that a cold front pushes through drops air temp to 61 degs. I don't .

To everyone else I appreciate the input I have contacted the dealership they are looking into it and I will more than likely return car to stock air box and tune.

Calling me a kid just makes you look like an ahole,assuming that I think I'm an expert is also wrong, but to each his own,I wasnt attacking you in any way at all,I was arguing the point that you didn't state da's,didn't state a mph diff,also didn't have identical or even close 60fts,tryna make the comparison is hard having none of those things available to us,might not need my comments but you posted the question,left out details,this is what you get but have a great day bud

[1slowssm6]

I suppose your taking me saying "maybe what he thinks was great air wasn't" was meant as an attack on you? It wasn't,I apologize if it came off that way,i don't know your history,I don't read who posts,I read what they post.if you would though,humor me,would you mind posting the slips or stating the full slips? im curious what the difference in 1/8 mile et&mph was,and also the mph difference between the stock slip and the 12.9-13.0 slips,thanks.

[JKO]

Originally Posted by 1slowssm6

Calling me a kid just makes you look like an ahole,assuming that I think I'm an expert is also wrong, but to each his own,I wasnt attacking you in any way at all,I was arguing the point that you didn't state da's,didn't state a mph diff,also didn't have identical or even close 60fts,tryna make the comparison is hard having none of those things available to us,might not need my comments but you posted the question,left out details,this is what you get but have a great day bud

Thanks appreciate your opinion , but the only way I could possibly have had side by side comparison is if I would have done the track testing same day I didn't but car that has gone to the track several times and ran 12.1 to 12.3 every time throughout the year with different weather conditions each time to only make one change and go run almost a full second slower only leads me to believe it was the 1 change that had something to do with it. Now I agree it seems like a huge loss for just the 1 change (CAI) but it is what it is and as for 60's, 330', 660', 1000' & 1/4 yes the times are drastically different that being my point if it would 60' the same it would run close to the same I lost most ET in the 60' that's all I have to go off this was my reason for asking for input.
I apologize for offending you only here in common interest and to stay informed and pass on anything I learn as you can imagine very upset with the huge difference in ET.

[1slowssm6]

Oh I can imagine the frustration been there done that,we spend our hard earned money on these parts and to lose time just kills the fun in it,maybe the flash didn't take and is a big issue? We all know gm Dealers aren't exactly the best.