Any good CARB Certified Long Tube Headers? (CALIFORNIA)

WarlockCamaro · 05-16-2019, 02:04 PM

Hello guys. As you all know by now, California has a bunch of laws regarding car modifications, this is a problem for me. I am in need of a good quality set of N/A Catt Long Tube Headers, their all great but because of the CARB Certification I need one that is CARB Certified. If any of you guys could direct me to a site that sells such Headers for the Camaro SS that would be great, and if any of you guys do live in California and have had problems regarding this law then feel free to tell me how you dealt with it.

I also want to mention that this is my first performance mod, so if you guys have any ideas then please feel free to do so also.

TJay74 · 05-16-2019, 02:33 PM

You will not find a CARB certified long tube header in California. LT headers move the primary cat which voids being able to get certified.

The only option you have for headers that maintains OEM location is a set of shorty headers, which are a waste of money in regards to the gains they provide.

kropscamaro16 · 05-16-2019, 02:37 PM

not available lol

cellsafemode · 05-16-2019, 03:20 PM

keep in mind, moving the cats runs afoul of federal laws ...it's just that many states dont care. Looking at a working catalytic converter wrong is against federal law.

and carb is adopted in like 16 states. Mostly states that have a history of horrible air pollution due to geography or population density or just want to avoid those issues before they start. It's less about being super strict about what you can do and what you can't and more about companies not wanting to spend the money to get something validated.

It would be nice though if some common sense was applied to approving parts, like for headers. They could test some super short headers, then test some super long headers and see if it impacts emissions.. if not, then you approve all headers that fall within those specs defacto. Instead of having to have every single variation of basically the same part have to be tested independently when they end up doing the exact same thing. meh. I'm looking forward to the era of electric car modding. Way less need for specialized large tools and machinery to work on electric. zero need for emissions approvals.

rshelar · 05-25-2019, 01:17 AM

You have a great car with a great engine. Maybe go with a nice axle-back exhaust but otherwise leave it alone.

Maybe join a local Camaro club.

Memphis SS · 05-25-2019, 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rshelar

You have a great car with a great engine. Maybe go with a nice axle-back exhaust but otherwise leave it alone.

Maybe join a local Camaro club.

Well, he might be better off just enjoying the car when you consider the exhaust noise law for California

JCunningham · 05-26-2019, 03:35 AM

by the way if your thinking of doing shorty header dont. you already have shorty headers.

Memphis SS · 05-26-2019, 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCunningham

by the way if your thinking of doing shorty header dont. you already have shorty headers.

Good point

fadkar · 05-26-2019, 11:08 AM

If you kept the stock headers, and got a straight pipe that deletes the secondary cats, would you fail California emissions?

Are the primary cats enough to remain carb compliant?

JCunningham · 05-26-2019, 12:33 PM

yes those 2nd cats are to appease ca

396ssrat · 05-26-2019, 12:46 PM

If everyone in California drove electric cars it would only be a matter of time before CARB found that electric powered vehicles are a threat to the environment. They are NOT going to create the perfect scenario where they no longer have a job and taxpayer funded pensions. That is just the way California rolls. If they test your exhaust emissions and the exhaust is clean there should be absolutely no need for a visual inspection.

RealG · 05-26-2019, 04:18 PM

No,
If it’s good or it works it’s a legal in California.
If it tastes good, spit it out.

Michael2000 · 05-27-2019, 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 396ssrat

If everyone in California drove electric cars it would only be a matter of time before CARB found that electric powered vehicles are a threat to the environment. They are NOT going to create the perfect scenario where they no longer have a job and taxpayer funded pensions. That is just the way California rolls.

You got that right. CARB is a wacho group that spends nearly $1 billion a year in tax money on themselves. I remember one year CARB wanted to outlaw certain paint colors, because they absorbed too much sunlight that would heat up the interior, requiring more air conditioning.

RealG · 05-27-2019, 08:33 AM

Remember we live in the bizarro world now. Is illegal really illegal?

05-16-2019, 02:04 PM	#1
WarlockCamaro Drives: 2016 Camaro 1SS Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 40	Any good CARB Certified Long Tube Headers? (CALIFORNIA) Hello guys. As you all know by now, California has a bunch of laws regarding car modifications, this is a problem for me. I am in need of a good quality set of N/A Catt Long Tube Headers, their all great but because of the CARB Certification I need one that is CARB Certified. If any of you guys could direct me to a site that sells such Headers for the Camaro SS that would be great, and if any of you guys do live in California and have had problems regarding this law then feel free to tell me how you dealt with it. I also want to mention that this is my first performance mod, so if you guys have any ideas then please feel free to do so also.

05-16-2019, 02:33 PM	#2
TJay74 Drives: 17 Camaro SS 1LE & 16 Sierra AT CC Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Norman, OK Posts: 2,424	You will not find a CARB certified long tube header in California. LT headers move the primary cat which voids being able to get certified. The only option you have for headers that maintains OEM location is a set of shorty headers, which are a waste of money in regards to the gains they provide. __________________ 2019 Corvette Z06 2LZ A8 - Halltech CAI, AWE non-catted X-pipe, Mamo V2 ported TB 592rwhp, bone stock 566rwhp 2017 Camaro SS 1LE - Procharger D1SC w/ Tial 2" BOV & Race intercooler / ARH full length catless headers / Alky meth injection system - 650rwhp on conservative tune SOLD

05-16-2019, 02:37 PM	#3
kropscamaro16 Drives: 2016 1ss camaro Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: 909 Posts: 9,812	not available lol __________________ 16 1SS NIGHTFALL GRAY METALLIC WITH NPP #BECAUSERACECAR #SAVETHEMANUALS

05-26-2019, 03:35 AM	#7
JCunningham Drives: 2017 2SS M6 Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: WNY Posts: 7,071	by the way if your thinking of doing shorty header dont. you already have shorty headers. __________________ real ZL1 wheels and brakes, 285/305 Michelin Pilot Super Sports, Pray ported Intake manifold, Soler Throttle Body, Rotofab intake, EFI Tuning Flex fuel kit, full American Racing Headers Exhaust, 1 7/8" w/ cats H pipe and mufflers. Full 1LE suspension, with BMR adjustable sway bars and links, GM aluminum cradle bushings, Hurst shifter with lighter reverse spring, TWM shifter knob, Tick level 1 transmission. I should have bought a ZL1

05-26-2019, 11:08 AM	#9
fadkar Drives: 2019 1SS 1LE Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: East Bay - NorCal Posts: 60	If you kept the stock headers, and got a straight pipe that deletes the secondary cats, would you fail California emissions? Are the primary cats enough to remain carb compliant? __________________ 19 1SS 1LE - Suntek PPF - Corsa Xtreme Axle Back

05-16-2019, 03:20 PM	#4
cellsafemode Drives: 2016 Camaro 1LT Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: California Posts: 3,491	keep in mind, moving the cats runs afoul of federal laws ...it's just that many states dont care. Looking at a working catalytic converter wrong is against federal law. and carb is adopted in like 16 states. Mostly states that have a history of horrible air pollution due to geography or population density or just want to avoid those issues before they start. It's less about being super strict about what you can do and what you can't and more about companies not wanting to spend the money to get something validated. It would be nice though if some common sense was applied to approving parts, like for headers. They could test some super short headers, then test some super long headers and see if it impacts emissions.. if not, then you approve all headers that fall within those specs defacto. Instead of having to have every single variation of basically the same part have to be tested independently when they end up doing the exact same thing. meh. I'm looking forward to the era of electric car modding. Way less need for specialized large tools and machinery to work on electric. zero need for emissions approvals.

05-25-2019, 01:17 AM	#5
rshelar Drives: 2017 1SS auto vert Nightfall Gray Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Central Coast, CA Posts: 666 View My Garage	You have a great car with a great engine. Maybe go with a nice axle-back exhaust but otherwise leave it alone. Maybe join a local Camaro club.

05-26-2019, 12:33 PM	#10
JCunningham Drives: 2017 2SS M6 Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: WNY Posts: 7,071	yes those 2nd cats are to appease ca __________________ real ZL1 wheels and brakes, 285/305 Michelin Pilot Super Sports, Pray ported Intake manifold, Soler Throttle Body, Rotofab intake, EFI Tuning Flex fuel kit, full American Racing Headers Exhaust, 1 7/8" w/ cats H pipe and mufflers. Full 1LE suspension, with BMR adjustable sway bars and links, GM aluminum cradle bushings, Hurst shifter with lighter reverse spring, TWM shifter knob, Tick level 1 transmission. I should have bought a ZL1 Last edited by JCunningham; 05-26-2019 at 12:56 PM.

05-26-2019, 12:46 PM	#11
396ssrat Drives: 66 Chevelle SS Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,347	If everyone in California drove electric cars it would only be a matter of time before CARB found that electric powered vehicles are a threat to the environment. They are NOT going to create the perfect scenario where they no longer have a job and taxpayer funded pensions. That is just the way California rolls. If they test your exhaust emissions and the exhaust is clean there should be absolutely no need for a visual inspection. __________________ 66 Chevelle SS 396 91 octane Driver n/a 6.44@105.78 1/8th mile

05-26-2019, 04:18 PM	#12
RealG Drives: 2024 2SS Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: SoCal Posts: 602	No, If it’s good or it works it’s a legal in California. If it tastes good, spit it out.

05-27-2019, 08:33 AM	#14
RealG Drives: 2024 2SS Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: SoCal Posts: 602	Remember we live in the bizarro world now. Is illegal really illegal?

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