[TrackClub]

Originally Posted by Emoto

Well, yes and no. A picture can be very misleading because it doesn't tell the story of how it happened. Was the ramp accidentally run over while on it's side or backed into (crunched) while standing up against the wall, and then the guy decided to use it anyway? Was it used for other purposes? Did it have a bunch of very heavy stuff stored on top of it for months? Was it left out in the sun for a year (UV hurts many plastics). Was some kind of solvent spilled on it? Was someone using them as a jump for quads or motorcycles? The list goes on.

I can speak from firsthand experience with these ramps. They are not hollow, they are formed from a bunch of shapes designed to carry a load. They work fine. They are strong. I would not take a chance; I am the guy wearing full gear and a full-face helmet on hot summer day motorcycle rides. I understand safety.

Well, they are absolutely hollow (see pic) and no matter how they are designed the weight of the car is supported by areas of a fraction of an inch vs a solid area like with Race Ramps. I appreciate your list of possible causes, but an obvious one is missing: a guy buys brand new ramps, drives up on them and it cracks. As described in feedback section. Perhaps the percentage is extremely low, perhaps it is related to a specific batch becuse of plastic chemistry or molding process, etc...we can go on and speculate for a very long time as to a root cause. But the pix suggest that under some circumstances they can crack. Being safety focused as well, that would be sufficient data for me. However, i certainly hope they work for you sans any incidents. Cheers!

[Emoto]

Originally Posted by TrackClub

Well, they are absolutely hollow (see pic) and no matter how they are designed the weight of the car is supported by areas of a fraction of an inch vs a solid area like with Race Ramps. I appreciate your list of possible causes, but an obvious one is missing: a guy buys brand new ramps, drives up on them and it cracks. As described in feedback section. Perhaps the percentage is extremely low, perhaps it is related to a specific batch becuse of plastic chemistry or molding process, etc...we can go on and speculate for a very long time as to a root cause. But the pix suggest that under some circumstances they can crack. Being safety focused as well, that would be sufficient data for me. However, i certainly hope they work for you sans any incidents. Cheers!

Those cylindrical shapes and flat braces are the shapes that provide strength that I mentioned. Hollow means nothing on the inside. Yes, the pics suggest that under some unknown circumstances a ramp can fail. But I have seen too much BS in Amazon reviews to put a lot of faith in them, especially in the face of so many good reviews. There is always some dumb motherf*cker who manages to break things. Of course, it is never that guy's fault.

[TrackClub]

Originally Posted by Emoto

Those cylindrical shapes and flat braces are the shapes that provide strength that I mentioned. Hollow means nothing on the inside. Yes, the pics suggest that under some unknown circumstances a ramp can fail. But I have seen too much BS in Amazon reviews to put a lot of faith in them, especially in the face of so many good reviews. There is always some dumb motherf*cker who manages to break things. Of course, it is never that guy's fault.

In comparison to 100% solid ramps (like Race Ramps) they are extremely hollow in terms of percentage of actual supporting material present. They were proly designed this way to facilitate ease and low cost of shipping (low weight and stackable) and shelf space for retailers. Not a bad thing biz wise.

I suspect not many read the big WARNING label these ramps come with. Such as necessity of inspections for CRACKS. Plus the fact that all Camaro tire sizes exceed max tire width allowed on these ramps.

Anyway, happy motoring

[Emoto]

Originally Posted by TrackClub

In comparison to 100% solid ramps (like Race Ramps) they are extremely hollow in terms of percentage of actual supporting material present. They were proly designed this way to facilitate ease and low cost of shipping (low weight and stackable) and shelf space for retailers. Not a bad thing biz wise.

I suspect not many read the big WARNING label these ramps come with. Such as necessity of inspections for CRACKS. Plus the fact that all Camaro tire sizes exceed max tire width allowed on these ramps.

Anyway, happy motoring

Now we're arguing about what hollow means? Really? I will continue to use these excellent ramps that work fine. Lots of Camaro owners use the Rhino ramps without any problem at all. IIRC, this forum is where I first learned of them. They are a decent inexpensive option. I'm sorry they don't tick every checkbox for the OCD nanny crowd, but that's life.

[TrackClub]

No worries about what constitutes hollow vs solid, or which presents a safer option as a result. Different strokes for different folks

However, the important fact is these ramps are not rated for Camaro tire width. Per the manufacturer. So if somebody treats safety as a priority they should look for other solutions. IMO.

[Emoto]

Originally Posted by TrackClub

No worries about what constitutes hollow vs solid, or which presents a safer option as a result. Different strokes for different folks

However, the important fact is these ramps are not rated for Camaro tire width. Per the manufacturer. So if somebody treats safety as a priority they should look for other solutions. IMO.

I guess all of the forum members here who use Rhino ramps successfully for their oil changes are just devil-may-care madmen who choose to risk their lives at the drop of a hat. Or, just maybe they are able to assess the things they have right there in front of them, approach the ramps straight on, and know that they are barely stressing a ramp rated for 12,000 or 16,000 lbs with the front end of a 3800 lb car.

[TrackClub]

Originally Posted by Emoto

I guess all of the forum members here who use Rhino ramps successfully for their oil changes are just devil-may-care madmen who choose to risk their lives at the drop of a hat. Or, just maybe they are able to assess the things they have right there in front of them, approach the ramps straight on, and know that they are barely stressing a ramp rated for 12,000 or 16,000 lbs with the front end of a 3800 lb car.

Yep and any warnings or limits specified by the manufacturer should be disregarded, as clearly these were influenced by dumb engineers who designed and tested the product. And what do they know?!
Like they say: ignorance is bliss and they are right

[Emoto]

Originally Posted by TrackClub

Yep and any warnings or limits specified by the manufacturer should be disregarded, as clearly these were influenced by dumb engineers who designed and tested the product. And what do they know?!
Like they say: ignorance is bliss and they are right

Of course, disregarding the real-world experience of many and flipping it to reductio ad absurdum may work elsewhere, but you're shooting blanks here.

I hope you never exceed the speed limit. That is dangerous, you know.

[TrackClub]

Originally Posted by Emoto

Of course, disregarding the real-world experience of many and flipping it to reductio ad absurdum may work elsewhere, but you're shooting blanks here.

I hope you never exceed the speed limit. That is dangerous, you know.

You realise, that disregarding reported failures as 100% invalid is also shooting blanks. Kinda reminds me of 737 Max saga... Be it as it may, we obviously have two very different views regarding safety standards and hence further dialogue is pointless. As such i bid you a good day sir.

[Emoto]

Originally Posted by TrackClub

You realise, that disregarding reported failures as 100% invalid is also shooting blanks. Kinda reminds me of 737 Max saga... Be it as it may, we obviously have two very different views regarding safety standards and hence further dialogue is pointless. As such i bid you a good day sir.

Nope. Essentially anonymous bad product reviews can be posted for all sorts of reasons by people who don't even have, as they say, enough sense to pour piss out of a boot. We have no idea how Bubba or Cletus managed to break their ramps, so although one should pause and consider things, ultimately it is not terribly meaningful.

On the other hand, if any of the numerous Camaro enthusiasts here had experienced problems with their Rhino ramps, I am sure that we would have had an enormous thread about it, and I think it safe to say that we might find their experiences somewhat more reliable, as we could have a little back and forth about it and perhaps get a bit more detail on what happened. I failed to find such a thread, although won't swear that my searching abilities are the best.

So, really, I am more comfortable with the experiences of my fellow Camaro enthusiasts and my own judgement than I am with the trials and tribulations of Jethro and Dewayne, who quickly break everything they buy.

If anything goes wrong with my Rhino ramps, I will come back here and post so you can say I told you so.

Happy motoring!

[TrackClub]

Originally Posted by Emoto

Nope. Essentially anonymous bad product reviews can be posted for all sorts of reasons by people who don't even have, as they say, enough sense to pour piss out of a boot. We have no idea how Bubba or Cletus managed to break their ramps, so although one should pause and consider things, ultimately it is not terribly meaningful.

On the other hand, if any of the numerous Camaro enthusiasts here had experienced problems with their Rhino ramps, I am sure that we would have had an enormous thread about it, and I think it safe to say that we might find their experiences somewhat more reliable, as we could have a little back and forth about it and perhaps get a bit more detail on what happened. I failed to find such a thread, although won't swear that my searching abilities are the best.

So, really, I am more comfortable with the experiences of my fellow Camaro enthusiasts and my own judgement than I am with the trials and tribulations of Jethro and Dewayne, who quickly break everything they buy.

If anything goes wrong with my Rhino ramps, I will come back here and post so you can say I told you so.

Happy motoring!

Fair enough Happy motoring to ya too

[The Specialist]

I have a set of Rhino Ramps that I have been using for close to ten years. They've served me well for under $50.00.
My Kubota tractor is up on them now.
I probably could have put a runner of 2x6" and got my 1LE off the ground using them.

Screw it.

I'm sick of asking my wife to come out to the garage to watch and see if the splitter is going to hit and go stupid.


I had to snag her every time I lifted up my 12 Corvette GS Vert.

Chicks get over excited for little or no reason... STOP !!! Man, I hate it when they Scream.

LOL.

The Race Ramps came in yesterday, I'm up on these 10" high little girls. No problem. No assistant was needed. LOL