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Old 06-01-2018, 04:57 PM   #1
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Gen6 V6 vs Gen5 SS

Has anyone here made that move?

The Gen6 V6 performance numbers are similar to Gen5 SS.

Since the Gen5 SS is more than enough performance for me, I'm thinking of trading for a Gen6 V6. Will I be happy with this?

Thoughts?

BTW, I did test drive a Gen5 V6 and it was too slow for me.
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Old 06-01-2018, 08:08 PM   #2
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Ummm..... G5 SS = 420HP and G6 V6 = 335HP. Not similar at all. If you are used to the V8 you will not be happy with the G6 V6. I drove one (a loaner) and it was still slow IMO. Fuel economy is only a couple digits different. Get the V8, puts a smile on my face every time.
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Old 06-01-2018, 08:48 PM   #3
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Has anyone here made that move?

The Gen6 V6 performance numbers are similar to Gen5 SS.

Since the Gen5 SS is more than enough performance for me, I'm thinking of trading for a Gen6 V6. Will I be happy with this?

Thoughts?

BTW, I did test drive a Gen5 V6 and it was too slow for me.
go test drive one now.
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Old 06-01-2018, 08:54 PM   #4
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I had the Gen6 V6 before trading it for the V8. In simple terms, it's very nimble and somewhat peppy, but has too little displacement and no FI, thus no low end torque. You need to rev the V6 out to 4.5-5k to feel anything.

Now if you don't mind that and maybe have other strong priorities (handling, electronics, fuel economy...), you'll like the V6, but in terms of speed and throwing you back in your seat, I seriously doubt that it would feel fast enough after a Gen5 SS.
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Old 06-01-2018, 09:28 PM   #5
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Ummm..... G5 SS = 420HP and G6 V6 = 335HP. Not similar at all. If you are used to the V8 you will not be happy with the G6 V6. I drove one (a loaner) and it was still slow IMO. Fuel economy is only a couple digits different. Get the V8, puts a smile on my face every time.
You’re leaving one thing out , gen6 is ridiculously lighter !
If you plan on doing mods go w the gen5 SS and the LS platform
If. It the gen6 V6 is a more refined car , but for us speed freaks a gen6 V8 SS is fast as ****
11 second ets on stock tune !!
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Old 06-01-2018, 09:34 PM   #6
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If those were your only options I'd pick the Gen 6 before the Gen 5 just because the platform has come so far and the 5s are starting to age some.


But you'll get the people who swear a 20 year old V8 is better than any modern car just because it's a V8...not quite attached to reality anymore lol.
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Old 06-01-2018, 10:56 PM   #7
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I came from an LS1 to this V6 I have no regrets it kicks ass super fun car to drive
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Old 06-02-2018, 01:15 AM   #8
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You’re leaving one thing out , gen6 is ridiculously lighter !
If you plan on doing mods go w the gen5 SS and the LS platform
If. It the gen6 V6 is a more refined car , but for us speed freaks a gen6 V8 SS is fast as ****
11 second ets on stock tune !!
No, it's not. It's a few hundred lb lighter, but think about it, that's like one passenger. The gen 5 was also a torque-monster with the LS3. I had one, it was nice. The gen 6 is undoubtely more nimble and a better chassis, but the 5 was still pretty good with the V8. I upgraded the sways, put in a strut brace, and it was absolutely on rails and amazing. Although I'd like to drive a V6 1LE, I don't think a V6 gen 6 will be better than a gen 5 SS. My gen 6 SS is not that much better compared to my 5 to make me think this. Both of these would purr along at 1000rpm up hills at 50mph. Don't even think about trying that with the V6. The gen 6 is better, but it's a lot more evolutionary than revolutionary.
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Old 06-02-2018, 03:27 AM   #9
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No, it's not. It's a few hundred lb lighter, but think about it, that's like one passenger. The gen 5 was also a torque-monster with the LS3. I had one, it was nice. The gen 6 is undoubtely more nimble and a better chassis, but the 5 was still pretty good with the V8. I upgraded the sways, put in a strut brace, and it was absolutely on rails and amazing. Although I'd like to drive a V6 1LE, I don't think a V6 gen 6 will be better than a gen 5 SS. My gen 6 SS is not that much better compared to my 5 to make me think this. Both of these would purr along at 1000rpm up hills at 50mph. Don't even think about trying that with the V6. The gen 6 is better, but it's a lot more evolutionary than revolutionary.
Undoubtedly a 5th Gen SS will destroy a 6th Gen V6. A 6th Gen V6 will have a better chance against a 4th Gen LS1 than a 5th Gen SS. They're in two different leagues...

A worst case fully loaded heavy automatic 5th Gen SS (which makes 400 HP out of the L99 instead of a M6 LS3) vs a 6th Gen V6 -- the quarter mile times may make them look slightly close (a low 13 sec 5th Gen vs a mid to high 13 sec best case scenario V6 6th Gen)...

I will state however the weight difference between a 5th Gen SS and a 6th Gen SS is more than 1 passenger, it's about a 300 to 400lb weight difference which is why the V6 6th Gens are capable of keeping up with LS1 equpped F-Bodies while not having as much power.
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The weight difference between a Gen5 V8 and a Gen6 V6 is 400 lbs.

I do appreciate the torque difference between V8 and V6, and the L99 has great torque and flatter torque curve than the LS3. It feels great but I rarely get to use it on the street.

Fuel economy is not a factor for me, but using regular is; some areas I travel to don't have 93 octane, and in some backwaters, you get the feeling no one ever buys the premium.

The other factor is summer tires on the SS. I never drive in winter, but these are a handicap on cold rainy days, which can happen any time of year here in New England.

Gonna have to test drive a Gen6 V6. After 9 years with a Gen5 V8, I will know right away whether the V6 is good enough for me.
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The weight difference between a Gen5 V8 and a Gen6 V6 is 400 lbs.
Gen 5 V8 manual was 3850. Pretty sure the Gen 6 V8 is not 3450. It's 3685 according to what I'm seeing. Are you comparing a Gen 6 4cyl to the Gen 5 V8?
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I do often forget the winter driving consideration. In Arizona we have spring - summer - fall, that's it. Can't remember the last time I saw snow...

I does mean I get to drive my Camaro all year round
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Gen 5 V8 manual was 3850. Pretty sure the Gen 6 V8 is not 3450. It's 3685 according to what I'm seeing. Are you comparing a Gen 6 4cyl to the Gen 5 V8?


The V6 hardly weighs anymore than the 4 cylinder I think it's a 60 lb difference. The V8 weigh significantly more
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Old 06-02-2018, 12:53 PM   #14
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The weight difference between a Gen5 V8 and a Gen6 V6 is 400 lbs.

I do appreciate the torque difference between V8 and V6, and the L99 has great torque and flatter torque curve than the LS3. It feels great but I rarely get to use it on the street.

Fuel economy is not a factor for me, but using regular is; some areas I travel to don't have 93 octane, and in some backwaters, you get the feeling no one ever buys the premium.

The other factor is summer tires on the SS. I never drive in winter, but these are a handicap on cold rainy days, which can happen any time of year here in New England.

Gonna have to test drive a Gen6 V6. After 9 years with a Gen5 V8, I will know right away whether the V6 is good enough for me.
I have the same car as you do currently. Here's my take and I've never been in a Gen 6 anything so full disclosure there.

The L99 is fine on 91. I'm running a 91 tune until my long trips are done in the next month or so then I'll put the 94 tune back on. But the car has plenty oomph with just 91 currently. Or do you guys not have 91 down there?

Tires- I ditched my Summer tires and run P Zero All Season Plus tires now. Way more tread life, smoother ride and grip as well as my BFG Sport Comp 2's did for my driving style and ability. And they can handle some snow should I ever get caught though not likely.

Torque- Your right the L99 has a great low end & the VVT broadens the curve. I'm sure the V6 will be plenty fast but I suspect you have to wring it out more which I think is harder to do in the real world. That nice fat torque is there in the l99 to get you moving quick while still under 3000 RPM or so. Thats the one reason I'd be reluctant to have a 5.0 Mustang even though its a crazy fast car I suspect it would be harder to get into the power band without revving it up higher when driving normal.

That said only test driving one can really make up your mind & if you are happy with it hey go for it! You are right the regular gas aspect of the V6 would be appealing for sure.
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