11-20-2019, 09:47 PM | #1 |
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MSD intake and Soler Performance TB
First off, I would like to say that Soler Performance has some absolutely outstanding customer service!
Setup: -Rotofab dry filter -MSD Airforce IM -Soler Performance 95mm(100mm effective) TB -No tune, yet. I feel like this was a bit of a unique situation and I haven’t seen any posts with this specific setup. So I figured it’s worth sharing. So... where to start. I installed everything myself, and I probably spent more time trying to figure out how to disconnect wire connectors than anything else. To remove the OEM TB connector(with the grey tab) I ended up having to break off the grey tab, there was literally no other way. The connector still connects and “clicks” when connecting to the new TB. I ended up getting the ICT billet adapter for the LT5 95mm TB. And as recommended from Mike at Soler Performance, I had the adapter bored out... Let’s talk about this, because there’s not a whole lot of information out there on this. The ICT billet adapter starts at 95mm, then steps down to 93mm. That step is about 2mm, so basically immediately after it comes off the TB it necks down. This is probably fine for adapting to stock IM, but doesn’t work very well for going to the MSD. So, the solution was to have a machinist(a good one) do a tapered bore, from 95mm to 103mm. Yes, it seals just fine. And yes, I know you can modify the bolt holes on the TB to make it fit, however, airflow-wise, it is far more elegant and efficient to have an adapter that gradually opens up from 95mm to 103mm. As opposed to going from 95mm to a 103mm snout. Note: No tune, and Rotofab is already installed. I first installed the MSD IM and tested with stock TB: -I honestly couldn’t feel much of a difference in lower RPMs, I know a lot of people say you can feel the loss of torque.... I couldn’t. That being said, I could definitely feel more power up at higher RPMs. It seems to really pick up around 3500. Now, it’s not a crazy difference, but just enough to notice. Then, I installed the TB: -Right off the bat I noticed the car seems a bit louder and much much deeper tone. Maybe it’s all in my head, but I’ve started that car in the same spot for 2yrs, and I know I noticed something different. -Basically turned the car into a rocket. The car really does feel “lighter”. I mean, I couldn’t stop giggling, the difference is insane. -The effect of the MSD IM seems to have been amplified. At 3500, I can really feel the engine wanting to go. Now, I haven’t had a chance to really get on it yet, because the roads were still a bit damp from some rain we had earlier. But, idk how else to describe it.... the power is there, and you know it. Overall: It’s like the engine has had a stuffy nose all this time, and this TB/IM combo is analogous to giving it Sudafed. I mean, it woke it the hell up. I know it’s expensive... believe me, I struggled with pulling the trigger for about a month. But it is 100% worth every penny. Sure you can go get a flex kit for half the price, but you’re still gonna be sluggish for half of your power band(I say this loosely). And the power you gain up high is soooo gratifying. As I said, I haven’t tuned it. So this set up works with stock tune, no CEL. I’m sure it will feel even better and faster once I have it properly tuned. I’ll update after I get to go WOT tomorrow, weather permitting. |
11-21-2019, 05:58 AM | #2 |
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Nice, I've been bugging them to make an adapter. Even with stock intake manifold it does the step down thing. 95mm, to 93mm to 90mm.
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11-21-2019, 07:15 PM | #3 |
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Im in the middle of the same setup. I have my intake and rotofab installed, my TB is waiting for the TB adapter which will be here on Monday. I went with WeaponX. Im curious now if it is necked down or not, I don't think it is though. Cant wait!
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11-21-2019, 07:26 PM | #4 |
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Mine is from weapon x as well, I'm pretty sure all of the spacers are the same. They don't even have logos on them
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11-23-2019, 11:10 AM | #5 |
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I have the MSD and a 103mm NW sitting in my garage waiting to install. All I have installed so far on my 2016 camaro 1ss is a rotofab dry filter. Is it safe to install my msd and 103mm NW now and tune later(within 1-2 weeks)?
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11-25-2019, 07:38 PM | #6 |
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Booher, I know we are late on that project. I think you can safely install, tune etc with the one you have. Whatever difference a tapered/streamlined adapter will make later on won't be enough to upset the tune. When we are done, the first sample will go out to you. 95mm to 90mm.
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11-25-2019, 09:18 PM | #7 |
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That is great to hear, thanks guys! I'm glad you are still gonna a be making one.
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12-03-2019, 04:57 PM | #8 |
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~800mile update:
The MSD compression bolts loosened up a bit, they were torqued down to ~7.5ft-lbs(89in-lbs) with blue loctite and had loosened to about 4.5ft-lbs, as expected, no big deal. The responsiveness from the Soler TB is still very much there. Sometimes it’s easy to forget because you get used to it. Still need to get it tuned, haven’t had time. Still no CEL, and no leaks. |
12-23-2019, 09:09 PM | #9 |
Drives: 21 Satin Steele ZL1 Join Date: Sep 2019
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Figured Id come back and throw my info in since I just got my car back from the shop.
Currently have: Accufab CAI MSD Ported Intake Soler 95mm with Weapon X Spacer (Ported the spacer to match TB) TSP PRC Ported Heads/ TSP Springs/ CHE Trunions TSP VVT3 Cam/ Johnson 2110 Lifters Stainless Work Longtubes and X-Pipe/ Stock Suitcase Made 560 hp on a dynajet and 472 Tq |
12-24-2019, 04:51 PM | #10 | |
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Booher wanted it to be a step up?
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12-25-2019, 11:42 AM | #11 |
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I actually needed a step down, my Tb has 95mm opening, then spacer is 92mm, and ported snout on stock Im is 90mm. I was looking for a smooth transition, as mine were like steps. We've been talking and they sent me one to try out. From the pictures I see on here, it should be exactly what I was looking for.
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12-26-2019, 01:18 PM | #12 |
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Thanks, Booher. It should be there today.
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12-26-2019, 04:04 PM | #13 |
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Yes sir, I just got it from my mail. Clean looking piece and is just what I was looking for, you guys are the best, I cant praise you guys enough! I'm gonna toss it in over the weekend, I doubt I'll feel it, but I will have piece of mind now, knowing my airflow will go through the transition alot smoother, thank you very much Mike!
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12-26-2019, 08:39 PM | #14 | |
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...and thank you for pushing us in the direction of making these. You are very welcome. |
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