[He11bent]

Oh brother...


Yes, you are going to see less skyline in a Camaro with its chopped top. In reality, its no more difficult to see around this car then any other (insert any name\brand here) sport car. That's because its not a design flaw, its a characteristic of a sports car. Keeping the mass of the occupants as low to the ground enhances handling. Additionally, keeping occupants encased in the body of sports cars up to their shoulders/necks improves safety; both under conditions that push the performance envelope of these cars...conditions you wont see in your father's Buick. (LOL, sorry couldn't resist). Like most of today's vehicles, the engineering solutions to mitigate the blind spots and enhance visibility are huge (and appreciated) changes from the previous generations.

[vtirocz]

Originally Posted by He11bent

Oh brother...


Yes, you are going to see less skyline in a Camaro with its chopped top. In reality, its no more difficult to see around this car then any other (insert any name\brand here) sport car. That's because its not a design flaw, its a characteristic of a sports car. Keeping the mass of the occupants as low to the ground enhances handling. Additionally, keeping occupants encased in the body of sports cars up to their shoulders/necks improves safety; both under conditions that push the performance envelope of these cars...conditions you wont see in your father's Buick. (LOL, sorry couldn't resist). Like most of today's vehicles, the engineering solutions to mitigate the blind spots and enhance visibility are huge (and appreciated) changes from the previous generations.

The high beltline is most definitely a design decision!

[17rsvert]

Yes the rear side visibility is bad compared to a vehicle with high windows in the side rears, but only if you are twisting your neck to look behind you.

Then there is the myth about the legendary Camaro blind spots...

There are blind spots for those who REFUSE TO PROPERLY ADJUST THEIR MIRRORS because they prefer to see their rear quarter panels when they look in their side view mirrors instead of seeing the cars in the lanes behind them. Believe me, no one ever hit their own rear fenders, or ran them off the road because they couldn't see them sneaking up on them in their rear view mirrors.

There are no blind spots with PROPERLY ADJUSTED mirrors. The Camaro roof/rear window do not create blind spots that cannot be eliminated with proper mirror adjustment.

I have a convertible, and one could make the argument that the roof and rear window create NO blind spots when the top is down. I assure you I do not have any better or worse visibility in my mirrors with the top up or down. I do not use my mirrors or look behind me any differently with the top up or top down.

The only time I have an issue is when making a left at a 'Y' intersection where the view to my right is at an acute angle less than 90 degrees with the top up. The top could block my view to the right, so I have learned to approach those intersections closer to a right angle so I can see to my right clearly out the side windows. Problem solved.

[Vtor_ZL1]

My only issue.. parallel parking - can never see how close you are to car in front and to the curb.

[3.8TransAM]

Visibility is on the low side compared to a lot of vehicles.


It does disappear after about 10-15 minutes of driving the car and mirrors adjusted properly. Then its pretty much non existant. I thought the same as the magazines until I drove a few and had way too much fun and realized it had zero effect on me.



The high belt line is a symptom of women buy more cars than men and complaining about things like NVH. Shorter windows less noise, less issues. This does make for a !$@$T$#@ effect of nowhere to put your arm, smaller windows, taller trunk opening directly leading to a big chunk of the discussion here.



As far as the Camaro goes, the roof is fine, lower the damn belt line and 95% of issues people complain about are gone. They do need to find the 2 inches of room in the back that is missing so someone like me could put a fourth person in there.


We don't keep the car alive sadly, the masses who buy 4 and 6 cylinders do. If they aren't buying there is going to be problems.


One thing I do know, it's a bad ass car in V8 form and if you complain about that, it's time to turn over the mancard for a a purse.

[activeSS]

When I want to see where I am going I drive my super duty.

When I want to drive with a grin I drive my SS.

[gtfoxy]

Originally Posted by CHASLT1

I kept hearing for years you can't see out of our cars. When i did my test drive, i never did even think about it or notice it. But i came from a few years of owning a C6 and then a 7 so i don't notice any change really. Only thing i kinda notice is making right hand turns as i can't see down lower when turning right.

Most sports cars are generally that way.

I think of a 32 5-Window when I look at a newer Camaro.

Originally Posted by lt4camaro

Put the seat up higher for her.

Remember when phone books were a thing?

Pepperidge Farm does.

Originally Posted by activeSS

When I want to see where I am going I drive my super duty.

When I want to drive with a grin I drive my SS.

I can’t see anything out the back of my 650. The Camaro is way better.

The 550 isn’t as bad, but it has a flat bed. When I first got it the bed manufacturer used box aluminum all the way across the cab hoop. I couldn’t stand it so I cut the tubes & welded in 3/8” bar stock to make an open view out the back. I also made the rear gate with a taper in the middle to see better as well.

[UnknownJinX]

I feel like there are a few things worth pointing out, which other threads have already pointed out:

- Remember that a lot of reviewers hop back and forth between many different cars, and so they never really get used to any of them, and Camaro's visibility is going to look worse in comparison.

- As far as a sports car go, there actually isn't too much to complain about in the Camaro, and so the one issue it has becomes a lot more glaring.

In the end, you see what you need to see. Pedestrians, other cars, hot girls... What else is there to see in a car?

Interesting that someone also mentioned AutoX before. I agree that it's not as easy to see the cones, and when I participated in one event, I do knock over a cone often. I know which one it is exactly, though, and there were some complaints from other drivers as well about how narrow that gate is. Just means I need to get more used to it.

Originally Posted by 17rsvert

Yes the rear side visibility is bad compared to a vehicle with high windows in the side rears, but only if you are twisting your neck to look behind you.

Then there is the myth about the legendary Camaro blind spots...

There are blind spots for those who REFUSE TO PROPERLY ADJUST THEIR MIRRORS because they prefer to see their rear quarter panels when they look in their side view mirrors instead of seeing the cars in the lanes behind them. Believe me, no one ever hit their own rear fenders, or ran them off the road because they couldn't see them sneaking up on them in their rear view mirrors.

There are no blind spots with PROPERLY ADJUSTED mirrors. The Camaro roof/rear window do not create blind spots that cannot be eliminated with proper mirror adjustment.

I have a convertible, and one could make the argument that the roof and rear window create NO blind spots when the top is down. I assure you I do not have any better or worse visibility in my mirrors with the top up or down. I do not use my mirrors or look behind me any differently with the top up or top down.

The only time I have an issue is when making a left at a 'Y' intersection where the view to my right is at an acute angle less than 90 degrees with the top up. The top could block my view to the right, so I have learned to approach those intersections closer to a right angle so I can see to my right clearly out the side windows. Problem solved.

This is pretty important. I never believed it until I bought my C7, which lacks blindspot monitoring and so I have to rely on proper mirror adjustment. Again, it's something to get used to, but once I got used to the mirrors, they make a lot more sense to me.

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[Aragorn]

Only difficulties I ever encounter are drive-throughs at banks and fast food restaurants. Normal driving is never issue

[JSH]

I love my car but I wouldn't describe the visibility as great. Relatively small side mirrors, wing in the middle of rear view, and if you have the seat down low in the driving position it can be challenging to turn around objects. I hit the curb with my right front wheel the first week I owned it.

I point the side mirrors further out than on any previous car like my GTRs.

I've gotten used to all of this.

Originally Posted by Wrecks24

I don't get all the hate regarding the visibility in the Camaro. Granted I am new to the car, I don't get it. Every single video I watch, they talk about the bad visibility. The only thing I can see would be the high dash, but I like it. I feel like I'm sitting "in" the car. My dad has a mustang and I don't notice a real difference, at least not enough to complain about it. If I wanted a panoramic view I would have bought a minivan. I guess maybe I am the the right height? I a 5'10 and 180 pounds. I feel like the car fits me. Now my wife is shorter, but then its only the front dash and when going over a hill she kinda has to lean forward to see...lol. Just ranting....

[NYJets12]

I’d really like to know where about the visibility issue is at. I can see out the front, back and side windows just fine. If it’s about blind spots every car has them.

[vtirocz]

Originally Posted by 3.8TransAM

Visibility is on the low side compared to a lot of vehicles.


It does disappear after about 10-15 minutes of driving the car and mirrors adjusted properly. Then its pretty much non existant. I thought the same as the magazines until I drove a few and had way too much fun and realized it had zero effect on me.



The high belt line is a symptom of women buy more cars than men and complaining about things like NVH. Shorter windows less noise, less issues. This does make for a !$@$T$#@ effect of nowhere to put your arm, smaller windows, taller trunk opening directly leading to a big chunk of the discussion here.



As far as the Camaro goes, the roof is fine, lower the damn belt line and 95% of issues people complain about are gone. They do need to find the 2 inches of room in the back that is missing so someone like me could put a fourth person in there.


We don't keep the car alive sadly, the masses who buy 4 and 6 cylinders do. If they aren't buying there is going to be problems.


One thing I do know, it's a bad ass car in V8 form and if you complain about that, it's time to turn over the mancard for a a purse.

Agreed. The roof is fine, it’s the beltline that needs lowered. Even just an inch or two would make a huge difference.

Also, good point that the hardcore Camaro enthusiasts are not going to keep the car alive. It needs to appeal to the masses.

[vtirocz]

Originally Posted by NYJets12

I’d really like to know where about the visibility issue is at. I can see out the front, back and side windows just fine. If it’s about blind spots every car has them.

You have to admit visibility is on the poor end of the spectrum, even compared to its direct competitors.

My wife knows nothing about cars and the first thing she commented on when riding in it was how bad the visibility was. Coworkers & friends have made similar comments. There are definitely going to be potential buyers who are turned off by this and look for something else.

I’m used to it and found it to be “good enough”, but garage / tight parking lots / drive throughs are where it really stands out. Another scenario it stands out is city street parking where you need to pull in and back out.. the rear and rear 3/4 visibility is atrocious.. could you imagine if the rear camera weren’t standard!

[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by vtirocz

Also, good point that the hardcore Camaro enthusiasts are not going to keep the car alive. It needs to appeal to the masses.

This gets tricky. There are very few cars that can please the enthusiasts and the non-enthusiasts. I think the closest might be Porsche and Corvette.

So on one hand, you have Camaro that appeal to enthusiasts but mass buyers don't like. On the other hand, you have BMW that's been watering down their cars to appeal to the masses and enthusiasts have been shaking their heads more and more.

So do you dilute? Or do you keep enthusiasts happy but also lose sales?

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