[DaveC113]

IMO Camaro is likely to be reborn under Corvette branding. There will also likely be a Corvette SUV.

[ZRacerLE]

Originally Posted by DaveC113

IMO Camaro is likely to be reborn under Corvette branding. There will also likely be a Corvette SUV.

I'd have no problem with any of that. Works for Porsche.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by ZRacerLE

I'd have no problem with any of that. Works for Porsche.

Its the same but different at the same time though. Its not like the Cayenne is called a 911 Cayenne. yes it has very obvious Porsche design cues but it doesn't take the 911 Name

But if corvette was spun into it's own brand I guess the Corvette wouldn't just be a Corvette so lol

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by shaffe

Its the same but different at the same time though. Its not like the Cayenne is called a 911 Cayenne. yes it has very obvious Porsche design cues but it doesn't take the 911 Name

But if corvette was spun into it's own brand I guess the Corvette wouldn't just be a Corvette so lol

I would look at it a little differently.

The corporation is Volkswagen. The brand is Porsche. The nameplate is 911, or Cayenne, or Panamera, or Boxster.

The corporation is General Motors. The brand is Chevrolet. The nameplate is Corvette, or Camaro, or Malibu or Suburban.

But, the word Chevrolet does not appear on Corvette. You’d have to look really hard to find a bowtie. So it would not be out of the question for GM to broaden the Corvette name into a separate brand. Then the corporation would be General Motors, the brand would be Corvette, the nameplate would be Stingray, or Z06, or Grand Sport, or Zora

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by shaffe

Its the same but different at the same time though. Its not like the Cayenne is called a 911 Cayenne. yes it has very obvious Porsche design cues but it doesn't take the 911 Name

But if corvette was spun into it's own brand I guess the Corvette wouldn't just be a Corvette so lol

This - Plus, GM has a ton of CUVs/SUVs - Porsche had none when the introduced the Cayenne.

There is no reason for a Corvette SUV - plenty of options from the past (nameplates) for GM to build a performance SUV off of.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

I would look at it a little differently.

The corporation is Volkswagen. The brand is Porsche. The nameplate is 911, or Cayenne, or Panamera, or Boxster.

The corporation is General Motors. The brand is Chevrolet. The nameplate is Corvette, or Camaro, or Malibu or Suburban.

But, the word Chevrolet does not appear on Corvette. You’d have to look really hard to find a bowtie. So it would not be out of the question for GM to broaden the Corvette name into a separate brand. Then the corporation would be General Motors, the brand would be Corvette, the nameplate would be Stingray, or Z06, or Grand Sport, or Zora

That's true, but I also remember the outcry from people when the C5 was the last to have flip up headlights lol How would they react to a Corvette SUV lol

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by shaffe

That's true, but I also remember the outcry from people when the C5 was the last to have flip up headlights lol How would they react to a Corvette SUV lol

I could point you to a couple threads on M6 that would answer that question.

[oldman]

I see a 2 door Camaro based on a C8 platform with "toned down" body work and a OHV V8 with manual trans. If it is a 4 door then it is a GTO / Caddi with at least one hybrid option, lots of interior and luxury options (G8).

[Martinjlm]

Mustang Mach I Announced


EMBARGOED UNTIL 06:00 A.M. EDT ON JUNE 16, 2020

Return of the Mach! Limited-Edition Mach 1 is Pinnacle of Mustang 5.0-Liter V8 Style and Performance • 480 horsepower limited-edition Mach 1 sets a new standard of 5.0-liter V8 track-ready performance in the Mustang lineup while celebrating original model’s aggressive aerodynamic and handling enhancements

• Six-speed manual transmission from Ford Performance and an available 10-speed automatic transmission provides capability on and off the track; available Handling Package delivers even more on-track

• Exterior styling cues include a new front fascia and grilles for both improved cooling and aerodynamics; low-gloss magnetic and black accents as well as hood and side-body stripes with reflective surfaces celebrate Mach 1 heritage dating back more than five decades


DEARBORN, Mich., June 16, 2020 – After a 17-year hiatus, the all-new Mustang Mach 1 fastback coupe makes its world premiere – becoming the modern pinnacle of style, handling and 5.0-liter V-8 pony car performance.

“Bold styling, great acceleration and speed – Mach 1 says it all,” said Jim Farley, Ford’s chief operating officer. “This is one of those special Mustangs that truly brings a smile to the faces of our owners, enthusiasts and fans – including me – so there’s never been a better time to bring back Mach 1 and have it go global too.”

Ford’s quest for speed began with Henry Ford in 1901 and the company’s roots within aerospace only furthered its desire to deliver quicker, faster and more powerful vehicles. Calling back Chuck Yeager’s feat becoming the first to break the sound barrier – Mach 1 – Ford delivered its original Mach 1 in 1969, setting 295 speed and endurance records in its first model year at the Bonneville Salt Flats. Thanks to its added handling capability, Mach 1 teams earned back-to-back SCCA Manufacturer’s Rally Championships in 1969 and 1970.

Like the original, the all-new Mach 1 bridges the gap between Mustang GT and Shelby® models, delivering V-8 power, unique functional aerodynamic enhancements, competition-capable suspension upgrades and a driver-focused cockpit.

All-new Mach 1 muscle The all-new Mustang Mach 1 becomes the most track-capable 5.0-liter Mustang ever, courtesy of a newly designed front end, plus Ford Performance parts from Mustang Shelby GT350 and Shelby GT500 models and an available Handling Package for greater at-limit handling.

Packing a specially calibrated 5.0-liter V8 engine that produces 480 horsepower at 7,000 rpm and 420 lb.-ft. of torque at 4,600 rpm, Mach 1 is a fitting celebration of a nameplate born more than 50 years ago.



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Integrated into the Mach 1 engine are revised Shelby GT350 components including the intake manifold, oil filter adapter and engine oil cooler, increasing engine oil cooling capability by 50 percent.

The all-new version leans on decades of Ford Performance learnings, wearing a uniquely crafted front end for aerodynamic efficiency and a host of Ford Performance parts that help celebrate its iconic heritage. Mach 1 comes standard with a Tremec™ 3160 6-speed manual transmission from the Shelby GT350. For the first time, Ford has outfitted the system with revmatching and the transmission is paired with the GT350 oil cooler system and Mustang GT’s twin-disc clutch and short-throw shifter.

Drivers can also opt for an available 10-speed SelectShift™ automatic transmission with an upgraded torque converter and unique calibration that enables optimizing torque capability, shift character and overall enhanced performance. A second air-to-oil cooler increases cooling capacity by 75 percent.

Recapturing Mach 1 style The all-new Mach 1’s grille harkens back to the original with a deep 3-D mesh, shark-nosed section and faux lamp elements. Flanking the fascia are new side grilles below each turn signal lamp. A low-gloss Magnetic pony badge is centered on the grille. Low-gloss magnetic and black accents throughout the vehicle provide a premium look while staying true to Mach 1’s bold, muscular heritage, including low-gloss Magnetic mirror caps and rear spoiler.

New 19-inch x 9.5-inch, and 19-inch x 10-inch five-spoke Tarnished Dark-painted aluminum wheels are a modern version of the classic Magnum 500 style wheels. Handling Package vehicles come standard with unique, wider 19-inch x 10.5-inch front, and 19-inch x 11-inch rear Tarnished Dark-painted aluminum wheels.

The Handling Package – exclusively available with the Tremec™ 3160 6-speed manual transmission – also includes a larger unique higher downforce front splitter, new front wheel lip moldings, and a low-gloss Magnetic swing spoiler with a Gurney flap and rear tire spats from Shelby GT500.

Satin Black side and hood stripes are included with reflective accent stripes in any of three colors: Red, White and Orange (Appearance Package only). Exterior color options include the Mach 1 exclusive Fighter Jet Gray (Appearance Package only), as well as Iconic Silver, Shadow Black, Oxford White, Velocity Blue, Twister Orange, Race Red and Grabber Yellow.

The interior features a unique Dark Spindrift instrument panel with aluminum accents. Ebony seats with an accent stripe hint at Mach 1 heritage in cars equipped with a leather interior. Other interior upgrades include new door sill plates, an updated splash screen on the 12.3-inch allLCD instrument cluster, a white cue ball shift knob, and engraved badging that displays the vehicle’s unique chassis number.

Mach 1: Built to perform The Mach 1 engineering and design teams worked in tandem to develop a front end unique to the Mach 1 persona that also meets the high aerodynamic demands of the engine, transmission and braking systems.




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A new two-piece upper grille, lower grille and valance, and new side grilles, all contribute to Mach 1’s signature look and more demanding aero and cooling performance requirements.

A front splitter optimized to the fascia shape improves track performance and provides a more aggressive appearance, while a matched rear spoiler works in concert to create ideal lift balance. Mach 1 features 22 percent more downforce than a Mustang GT with Performance Pack Level 1 and the downforce improvement jumps to approximately 150 percent with the Handling Package.

To enhance track endurance, the team added two side heat exchangers – one to cool engine oil, the other transmission oil – as well as a rear axle cooling system and lower diffuser from Shelby GT500.

A new underbelly pan, the vehicle’s most aerodynamically important upgrade, extends 20 inches further rearward than on a Mustang GT Performance Pack to smooth and increase the airflow under the front of the car. Large underwing features in the belly pan increase downforce, while special belly pan airfoils in the brake cooling ramps improve downforce and assist the brake cooling flow – a first for Mustang.

To improve ride and handling, Mach 1 features the latest MagneRide calibration, a stiffer steering I-shaft, new EPAS calibration, stiffer sway bars and front springs, a brake booster from the Mustang GT Performance Pack Level 2, 9.5-inch/10-inch split fitment wheels with Michelin PS4 tires, a rear subframe with stiffer bushings and a rear toe-link from Shelby GT500.

The all-new and limited-edition 2021 Mustang Mach 1 will arrive in U.S. and Canadian Ford dealerships in the spring of 2021.

[ST1LE]

Thanks for sharing Martin!!

"Limited Edition" and "available Track Package". Another expensive Mustang by the sound of it.

[NW-99SS]

Finally a Mustang worthy of contending with the SS 1LE - and in typical Mustang fashion, it will cost plenty more than the Camaro.

[whiteboyblues2001]

So it looks like the Handling Package is only available with the manual transmission. That's weird, why not both transmissions?

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

So it looks like the Handling Package is only available with the manual transmission. That's weird, why not both transmissions?

ZL1 1LE and SS 1LE were MT only. Until they weren't.

[shaffe]

So I did miss the part about the handling package but serious question because I do not know


"The Handling Package – exclusively available with the Tremec™ 3160 6-speed manual transmission – also includes a larger unique higher downforce front splitter, new front wheel lip moldings, and a low-gloss Magnetic swing spoiler with a Gurney flap and rear tire spats from Shelby GT500."

How much do those really help handling?