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12-13-2018, 11:48 AM | #184 |
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12-13-2018, 11:49 AM | #185 | |
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At work I'm surrounded by people unable to communicate meaningfully, empathize or understand societal trends despite their excellence in coding or design, and this heavily impacts team productivity and morale. Being good at maths or computer science no longer suffices without the ability to engage others, and although one may say this falls into the area of English rather than arts or history, how can you teach language without the artifacts it's used to create? And then those artifacts are products of their eras, heavily influenced by historical events. It's all intertwined. I'm not saying everything is of equal importance everywhere, far from it, just that we need to have a broad mindset about declaring skills "essential". (For the record, of course I'm also totally against any frivolous junk that is peddled as highly valuable.)
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12-13-2018, 12:16 PM | #186 | |
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Perhaps it's time for the pressures to "publish or perish" and perceived values of "prestige" to be dialed back a bit.
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12-13-2018, 12:31 PM | #187 | |
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I had a big problem being required to take arts and humanities classes for my engineering degree. To me they were absolutely wasted classes, a waste of my time when I could have been working on my projects, and I told my professors flat out their class was a waste of time and I'm only there because I'm required to be. I got straight Cs and didn't care. I guess you and I will see this very differently. |
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12-13-2018, 01:06 PM | #188 | |
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holy S.... I graduated from UT in 2003 and my student load debt was 84K and still paying for it. Then the interest rates for student loans was 7%. I make decent money but I've been drowning for a while now.
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12-13-2018, 01:12 PM | #189 | |
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For comparison, my Mom graduated from Ashland University (then Ashland College) in 1972. Her tuition including room and board was $850/yr. The trend is unsustainable for our country. |
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12-13-2018, 01:35 PM | #190 |
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I believe that tuition went up so rapidly because of all of the scholorhips, grants, loans, govt. assistance, etc. and not so much because of professors salaries. The leadership of the universities and the football coach are the ones taking in millions, not so much the professors.
When I went to school in the late 80's, my state school tuition was about $1000-$1200 per semester. I paid for it myself working construction (and other things) in the summers. Took me a while, but I left school without much debt. Another one of the bigger problems is that, in my situation, I make some good money. I'm not a 1%'er or anything, but because of my income, my son gets no help, and I don't even get a tax break. So, while a lower middle class person may get a bunch of help in paying, the upper middle class has to pay the full amount, which is WAY too expensive to afford even as an upper-middle class family. So, a ton of kids walk away with $100k in debt. So while all these wonderful scholorships are great and all, all that did was just enable the prices to skyrocket, and suck all the finances out of the middle class. Between that and healthcare, you can make $150k and still live paycheck to paycheck (if you have kids in college, and you are going to pay their way). |
12-13-2018, 02:10 PM | #191 |
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The price of college has risen many times higher than inflation by the market distortion caused by low interest government loans. Make borrowing money cheaper and people will be able to borrow more and the "seller" (in this case colleges and universities) can raise their prices because now the buyer can afford it. The same thing happened to house prices when mortgages were dirt cheap. Although many schools lavish some of their professors with high salaries for a variety of reasons, the bulk of the bloat comes from high-paid non-teaching administrative staff. If I were coming up these days, I would enter the trades instead of going to college.
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When I graduated from Texas in '67, I was paying about $250-350 per semester for tuition and books. Don't know what that would be in 2018 dollars. I was able to pay most of it with after school jobs and summer work and my folks helped a bit. I got out with no loans. Now that place costs thousands per semester just for tuition.
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(I taught computer science classes in a college for a total of 9 years, and heard this same argument from students nearly every week. You don't want to end up one-dimensional when you graduate. At the same time those random useless courses that are shoved in because professor XYZ loves them gotta go. Ironically, debates over this and other dubious department policies was one of my reasons for quitting...)
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12-14-2018, 08:56 AM | #195 |
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i agree that the cost of college is prohibitive,however if you join the armed forces the government will foot the bill.
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12-14-2018, 09:14 AM | #196 |
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This is a competitive disadvantage for the United States versus most of Western Europe. In many EU countries, college is free (Germany, Finland, Ireland, Denmark, Austria, etc.) or inexpensive (~$200 semester - France). These costs are for any EU student going to any state university in any EU country. I see this as an investment in the future versus our mortgaging the futures of college students.
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