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Old 07-21-2019, 07:35 PM   #85
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I went and test drove a Stinger when they first came out. Very solid offering. If they weren’t stuck on sticker price I might have one.

In retrospect I still miss my SS sedan. It was just old and I wanted something different. The Stinger was one of the first cars I considered. Of course now they are 10 Grand off. Lol.

Hyundai/Kia went all out on this car and it showed. In the end paying $50k for a Kia doesn’t work. Probably why the V8 powered AWD K900 sold less than 1000 units.
The Kia Stinger sold 16.806 units in 2018 and is down 20% for 2019 despite it’s practicality.

When I realized I needed to get rid of my 2016 SS due to the shuddering A8, I also looked at the Kia Stinger (and the Audi A5). I bought another 2SS (with M6) because performance mattered more to me.
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Old 07-21-2019, 08:11 PM   #86
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Has it crossed anyone's mind if this new vette is a hit, we could possibly see a mid engine Camaro in the future?
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Old 07-21-2019, 10:15 PM   #87
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highly doubt it, even the sub 60k was a real surprise for me, it is still more expensive than the C7, sorry but a mid engine camaro with a 10k price rise and no rear seats really is a Vette.. I say I would not be surprised it is the end for ZL1 and ZL1 - 1LE as a C8 Club Sport would be about the same price......
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Old 07-22-2019, 12:52 AM   #88
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I donít believe that the C8 has any bearing on GMís decision to delay/cancel the Gen7. Itís an acknowledgement that buyers are moving to CUV/SUV and their long term view of electric.

The Alpha1 cars sold poorly (ATS/CTS/Camaro). I believe GM is already committed to Alpha2 CT5/CT4. If those sales tank, they will kill the whole platform and not invest more in the Alpha2 Camaro
From a future products planning standpoint GM is looking at a continued shrinking car and more importantly coupe market so that very much links Camaro and Corvette together as they already are internally.
GM has made their decision on the Corvette like Ford has with Mustang. Had the C8 gone more upmarket Camaro would have more of a business case for survival under C8. But GM really didn't do that.

Camaro now has an tougher business case for a full redesign and some of that means moving away from some of the 6th Gen shortcomings. That kills Alpha and I'd say only hope for a 7th Gen Camaro is on VSS-R which would mean, hiatus.
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Old 07-22-2019, 01:07 AM   #89
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I was never a Corvette guy, I always thought the Camaro is just the better car for the money, since Corvettes are quite expensive. But they really nailed it with the C8 and got me thinking. The financing of my Camaro will run another 2 years, but after that if I somehow get the chance to save a bit of money I will definitely concider buying a C8 instead of keeping the Camaro.



And from what I heard from others, they really gained a lot of interest with the C8. If they can really offer the performance they claim, I guess a lot of people will concider to go a bit over they budget for that crazy amount of performance increase. Even without Z51 Package the base Corvette will be in low 3s 0-60 times. Can't wait for first reviews on tracks. Guess Randy Pobst will crush a lot of times of other cars with the C8
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Old 07-22-2019, 02:05 AM   #90
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I don't think bring Corvair back is good idea.....

I think Camaro just needs more room or more flexible trunk. RMR never have folded seat design, RMR design isn't really good for people doing long trip. If Camaro gets fastback design like 3 gen and 4 gen, I think it would survive and sale well again.
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Old 07-22-2019, 08:07 AM   #91
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I think it's an opportunity to bring the Camaro back to the original pony or muscle car premise with a spin for today's buyers. A little more practical than the 6th gen, cheaper, etc. I have no access to GM's books so I can't speak to profitability, but I do believe a market exists for the pony cars, especially with Gen Z coming up, but these cars must be affordable or they will just buy "hot hatches", Hondas, etc, b/c they are more affordable.

Might help Mustang decide what to do too. I mean look at them with the C8. Do they somehow try to follow that or just go back to the original pony car premise? Dodge will need to make a choice with their aging platforms too, but they don't seem to be chasing the "road racing thing" anyway.
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Old 07-22-2019, 08:38 AM   #92
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I didn't read through every post on this thread, so maybe someone has already pointed this out.

There is a configurator so you can build out your Corvette. A friend (2015 C7 3LT) and I built out our Corvettes to our liking. We are both of the same minds, in that we will get it the way that we want it. His built out at $82K and mine built out at $84K. We both went for MRC and the 3LT package. I am unsure what the differences were that accounted for a $2K difference. However, this $80K - $85K price point is where more Corvette buyers will be looking. There are very few Corvette buyers that are going to buy one without memory seats, all of the safety goodies (we tend to like cameras, sensors and any other help we can get), MRC, upgraded sound system, etc.

At that price point there is plenty of room for a Gen7 Camaro. I think that GM wants the Gen6 to fill that price point of $45K-$70K for a performance car. This allows for a little more latitude in when the Gen7 will be released and at what price point.

I do not mean to dismiss the 4 or 6 cylinder Camaros. These are just in a different market segment than the LT1 / LT4 powered Camaros, when discussing the C8 Corvette.
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Old 07-22-2019, 08:43 AM   #93
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I didn't read through every post on this thread, so maybe someone has already pointed this out.

There is a configurator so you can build out your Corvette. A friend (2015 C7 3LT) and I built out our Corvettes to our liking. We are both of the same minds, in that we will get it the way that we want it. His built out at $82K and mine built out at $84K. We both went for MRC and the 3LT package. I am unsure what the differences were that accounted for a $2K difference. However, this $80K - $85K price point is where more Corvette buyers will be looking. There are very few Corvette buyers that are going to buy one without memory seats, all of the safety goodies (we tend to like cameras, sensors and any other help we can get), MRC, upgraded sound system, etc.

At that price point there is plenty of room for a Gen7 Camaro. I think that GM wants the Gen6 to fill that price point of $45K-$70K for a performance car. This allows for a little more latitude in when the Gen7 will be released and at what price point.

I do not mean to dismiss the 4 or 6 cylinder Camaros. These are just in a different market segment than the LT1 / LT4 powered Camaros, when discussing the C8 Corvette.
Personally, I think at that price they might as well kill the gen 7. It's too high. You should be able to get a base V8 Camaro MUCH cheaper than $45k, that's BS. The "halo" Camaros could be up around base C8 price.
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Old 07-22-2019, 09:05 AM   #94
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History repeating itself

If I can be candid, GM has a history of killing off cars when they are about to turn the page or perfected. For instance, the B-body Impala SS was killed off in 1996 (albeit for different reasons) but they were developing a version with a manual and a higher horsepower version.
Camaro fans should look no further than 2002 when the Camaro was killed off, only to be revived almost 8 years later. I could list others that GM has given the axe to (*cough* GN, SS/G8, 454SS , GTO, TBSS, Syclone/Typhoon *cough*).....

Ford is banking on sales of SUVs, trucks, and the Mustang. I prefer the Camaro over both the Challenger and Mustang. Why? I am more comfortable in the Camaro than the Mustang and am not a fan of FCA (reliability is the chief reason).

If this travesty is going to take place, then send it off with a bang that will scare the upcoming GT500 and annihilate the Hellcat Redeye.
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If I can be candid, GM has a history of killing off cars when they are about to turn the page or perfected. For instance, the B-body Impala SS was killed off in 1996 (albeit for different reasons) but they were developing a version with a manual and a higher horsepower version.
Camaro fans should look no further than 2002 when the Camaro was killed off, only to be revived almost 8 years later. I could list others that GM has given the axe to (*cough* GN, SS/G8, 454SS , GTO, TBSS, Syclone/Typhoon *cough*).....

Ford is banking on sales of SUVs, trucks, and the Mustang. I prefer the Camaro over both the Challenger and Mustang. Why? I am more comfortable in the Camaro than the Mustang and am not a fan of FCA (reliability is the chief reason).

If this travesty is going to take place, then send it off with a bang that will scare the upcoming GT500 and annihilate the Hellcat Redeye.
They are also behind the times/trends, the 2010 Camaro was the car everyone wanted in the late 90's/early 2000's (yes, I understand it takes years to develop). The 6th gen is great, but more people have shifted to more practical vehicles and the prices continue to rise more than wages.
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Old 07-22-2019, 09:24 AM   #96
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ford kinda gets it that there's only room for one 2 door sports car in a given brand. That's why they dont have to consider cancelling theirs ever. Mustang from the cheap seats all the way up to 100k levels.

Chevy has been struggling by trying to have multiple lines in this niche. God forbid they sully the great name of corvette by making trims accessible to the dirty peasants. But in order to sell the low end models of the camaro, they have to make the top trims really good, and that begins to compete with their own corvette to some degree and this has been a stickler point for Chevy since the grand national (and earlier).

This is one place where chevy just needs to learn from ford. One car, top to bottom == a better brand decision and a better business choice. Either make the corvette a hypercar like the ford gt and spread the camaro across the entire price range camaro and corvette used to occupy ala the mustang or cancel the camaro and spread the corvette across it. What they've been doing is stupid.
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Old 07-22-2019, 09:30 AM   #97
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This is one place where chevy just needs to learn from ford. One car, top to bottom == a better brand decision and a better business choice. Either make the corvette a hypercar like the ford gt and spread the camaro across the entire price range camaro and corvette used to occupy ala the mustang or cancel the camaro and spread the corvette across it. What they've been doing is stupid.
We don't want them to make the best business case, we want them to make sports cars and fun stuff.

Otherwise, you are basically asking for the self-driving cars and shared chassis.
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Old 07-22-2019, 09:37 AM   #98
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I would like to see the Camaro interior on par with the Corvette -- at least in the top models. No excuse for hard plastic bits in this day and age, especially the top of the dashboard.
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