[JSH]

Originally Posted by Driv200

Probably the oldest question on here, but I’d love to hear from someone who has had both versions of ZL1’s. I’m always track focused (time attack & open track days) and have always favored the ZLE as the better choice for me. As I see some nicely modded ZL1’s, I am asking myself if my 4-5 track weekends a year warrant the ZLE? I’m an experienced track veteran and usually enjoy my weekend car street racing and spirited drives. It’s a one car fits all for me.

Still favoring the ZLE, I’d welcome input from others who play hard with their ZL1 or ZLE.

And I want a cam with that shotgun tap tap tap sound. 😀
Thanks.

From what you said here, the ZLE would be your best choice.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by GreenZLE

Sorry, but thats just plain out not true. I run with and beat stock non 1LE ZL1's at gateway on the regular. Any effect the 1LE suspension has on 1/4 mile times, IF ANY, is very negligible.

It's not though, once you eliminate the torque management, the difference will become more apparent. It's the stock torque management holding all ZL1's back from going quicker because any extra traction doesn't help as much as it should. There are so many other variables at play when you're racing at the track, the driver is the biggest one. So you're a better driver than the standard ZL1s you've raced, great, but that doesn't change physics.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by Camaro1973

The 1LE will be much worse with even more power from a dig. The suspension doesn't allow the car to shift weight and sag to hook. Z06 is right its physics.


Your not going to find a 1LE with the same power beating a normal ZL1, and if you do its because the driver sucks

This.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

What does braking and ET drag racing have in common? Nothing. I don't see top fuel dragsters or pro stock cats braking hard at the line.

ET racers don't race at the end. ET racers race at what they are existed to do. ET racing helps a STi race a ZL1 and cross the line roughly at the same time. Right?

Hmm, it appears I need to explain ET racing, which is the life blood of the NHRA. ET racing includes a number of sportsman classes wherein you dial an ET and run as close to that number as possible without running quicker/lower (breaking out) or running quicker by less than your opponent does.

The real skill in ET racing is to know immediately whether or not you cut a good light, and whether or not your opponent red lighted or cut a light, and get to the end of the track (last 50-100 ft.) before your opponent does and to use your brakes (both when you're the faster and slower car) to win by as small a margin as possible. [.001 would be great] The 1LE has a lot going for it in ET racing due to its great brakes, control, and high-speed downforce.

Off the showroom floor, and although I haven't owned a ZL1, the 1LE should be approx. quick and as good of an ET racer as the ZL1. Both drivers have the exact same challenges. My car would run 1.40s 60ft. times at sea level now.

NHRA Top Fuel and Pro Stock are professional heads-up classes, first guy to the lights wins. That's not the racing I do now, and it's not what 99% of the members here do. There's not even a heads-up class for my car up here.

Fast list times, test and tunes, time trials, qualification times, etc. aren't "racing" times, rather they're just finding how fast your car is with no competition.

The fact that the ZL1 can go 200 and the 1LE can go 191mph doesn't relate to any aspect of drag racing. How many members here have done 200 mph in their ZL1? None?

None of this is related to the OP's thread because he's a road racer. So, I ask again, why do you believe the ZL1 is the better ET series race car? I don't believe that it is, because ET racing is more about driving than it is about the car.

[GreenZLE]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

It's not though, once you eliminate the torque management, the difference will become more apparent. It's the stock torque management holding all ZL1's back from going quicker because any extra traction doesn't help as much as it should. There are so many other variables at play when you're racing at the track, the driver is the biggest one. So you're a better driver than the standard ZL1s you've raced, great, but that doesn't change physics.

Being completely stock, I cant comment. I can say though, stock for stock, there's no difference. Going a 1.69 60' time is amongst the lowest 60' times any stock ZL1 puts down on a street tire.

[ZX-10R]

Originally Posted by JSH

The real skill in ET racing is to know immediately whether or not you cut a good light, and whether or not your opponent red lighted or cut a light, and get to the end of the track (last 50-100 ft.) before your opponent does and to use your brakes (both when you're the faster and slower car) to win by as small a margin as possible. [.001 would be great] The 1LE has a lot going for it in ET racing due to its great brakes, control, and high-speed downforce.

Off the showroom floor, and although I haven't owned a ZL1, the 1LE should be approx. quick and as good of an ET racer as the ZL1. Both drivers have the exact same challenges. My car would run 1.40s 60ft. times at sea level now.

You're a complete rockhead, babbling on about ET racing in your own echo chamber. No one cares.

For the 10th time, weight transfer is critical in drag racing, do you get it? The buckboard suspension on the 1LE is intended for a roadcouse, NOT for drag racing. PERIOD. Stop babbling, admit you were wrong, and move on, sheesh. Nothing worse than trying to dig yourself a deeper hole after being proven wrong 3 pages ago

[JSH]

Originally Posted by ZX-10R

You're a complete rockhead, babbling on about ET racing in your own echo chamber. No one cares.

For the 10th time, weight transfer is critical in drag racing, do you get it? The buckboard suspension on the 1LE is intended for a roadcouse, NOT for drag racing. PERIOD. Stop babbling, admit you were wrong, and move on, sheesh. Nothing worse than trying to dig yourself a deeper hole after being proven wrong 3 pages ago

What? Everyone here is an ET racer. How many people race only heads-up here? One or two.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by JSH

What? Everyone here is an ET racer. How many people race only heads-up here? One or two.

Almost no one here is a bracket racer. Most people that drag race are straight up looking for PBs. Only a small handful are bracket racing for money and those people aren't running 1LE's and likely not stock suspension either.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by ZX-10R

You're a complete rockhead, babbling on about ET racing in your own echo chamber. No one cares.

For the 10th time, weight transfer is critical in drag racing, do you get it? The buckboard suspension on the 1LE is intended for a roadcouse, NOT for drag racing. PERIOD. Stop babbling, admit you were wrong, and move on, sheesh. Nothing worse than trying to dig yourself a deeper hole after being proven wrong 3 pages ago

[JSH]

Car & Driver tested the ZL1 at 11.5 and the 1LE at 11.7 1/4 mi. As far as I know, there is no class where they would run heads-up. They run a "dial your ET". There's just not much difference between them. It's a wives' tale. Gossip.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by JSH

Car & Driver tested the ZL1 at 11.5 and the 1LE at 11.7 1/4 mi. As far as I know, there is no class where they would run heads-up. They run a "dial your ET". There's just not much difference between them. It's a wives' tale. Gossip.

Sure, I guess there's no difference on a road course either. Can't have it both ways.

[Vigilante375]

Originally Posted by JSH

Hmm, it appears I need to explain ET racing, which is the life blood of the NHRA. ET racing includes a number of sportsman classes wherein you dial an ET and run as close to that number as possible without running quicker/lower (breaking out) or running quicker by less than your opponent does.

The real skill in ET racing is to know immediately whether or not you cut a good light, and whether or not your opponent red lighted or cut a light, and get to the end of the track (last 50-100 ft.) before your opponent does and to use your brakes (both when you're the faster and slower car) to win by as small a margin as possible. [.001 would be great] The 1LE has a lot going for it in ET racing due to its great brakes, control, and high-speed downforce.

Off the showroom floor, and although I haven't owned a ZL1, the 1LE should be approx. quick and as good of an ET racer as the ZL1. Both drivers have the exact same challenges. My car would run 1.40s 60ft. times at sea level now.

NHRA Top Fuel and Pro Stock are professional heads-up classes, first guy to the lights wins. That's not the racing I do now, and it's not what 99% of the members here do. There's not even a heads-up class for my car up here.

Fast list times, test and tunes, time trials, qualification times, etc. aren't "racing" times, rather they're just finding how fast your car is with no competition.

The fact that the ZL1 can go 200 and the 1LE can go 191mph doesn't relate to any aspect of drag racing. How many members here have done 200 mph in their ZL1? None?

None of this is related to the OP's thread because he's a road racer. So, I ask again, why do you believe the ZL1 is the better ET series race car? I don't believe that it is, because ET racing is more about driving than it is about the car.

Again. The ZL1 1LE has the same brake setup as a non 1LE ZL1.

I believe the ZL1 without the 1LE option is the better, consistent drag racing car. You can automatically set the suspension to its softest setting to help weight transfer. The wing and front winglets that comes with the 1LE option will be little help down the 1/4 mile.

Look at what Dodge did with the Demon. So you see a hardcore suspension setup like the ZL1 1LE? No. You see a soft suspension setup to help transfer the weight.

I still don't see why you'd be slamming on your brakes at the end of the 1/4 mile. If you're ET/bracket racing then you know what your car will run and if you're claiming 12 seconds (for your dial in) when you know damn well your car goes 11.7 then you have no business racing competitively. Go sandbag somewhere else.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

Sure, I guess there's no difference on a road course either. Can't have it both ways.

The OP appears to be a road course racer, and I'm sure he already knows about the 1LE's dominance there. I was simply making the case that there's not much difference between the two cars at the strip, which he probably doesn't even care about.

[pauly1119]

Both cars are great and the ride quality is over exaggerated in my opinion. I prefer the looks of the ZLE but to each is own. The ZLE just looks menacing to me. We have pretty good roads here in Florida so the ride quality is great to me.