09-04-2018, 11:53 AM | #43 | |
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That is no longer the case, as the others have caught up or even passed the Camaro in price.
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09-04-2018, 12:49 PM | #44 | |
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Chevy needs to dig back into their archives and go back to basics. Advertise advertise advertise because thats just Bidness 101.
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09-04-2018, 12:51 PM | #45 |
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2018 August sales:
Mustang: 7,487 +35% Challenger: 4,647 -26% Camaro: 3,779 -24.7% Last edited by Bongos2U; 09-05-2018 at 11:56 AM. |
09-04-2018, 12:55 PM | #46 |
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So serious question. In the sales threads that used to happen monthly, there were a few with numbers provided by MEDISIN that essentially 28% of Mustang sales were fleet numbers, and a high number for Challenger as well.
It would seem to me, that anyone writing an article on this, where they are interviewing the head honchos for team Camaro that this point would be brought up. I did not see it mentioned anywhere, yet the vibe I got from the quotes from Al was that they are a bit concerned that they are not making a lot of headway in the lower trims. I just find it odd that it wasn't mentioned anywhere. So despite all the posts about they don't care about volume, they don't care about sales numbers because ATP is higher some of the quotes here in this article say that they are concerned and want the sales crown back.
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Visibility is a non issue with anyone confident in their ability to drive. Yet there are so many who have little or no confidence in their own driving skills in this day and age. Sad. |
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09-04-2018, 01:07 PM | #48 | |
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Like much news today...it can be classified as Fake news by Omission. |
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09-04-2018, 01:15 PM | #49 |
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All this focus on visibility. This isn't the reason for the poor sales, the visibility was poor on the 5th Gen model as well and it sold very well. The problem is the same now as when the 6th Gen was introduced, there is no excitement in regards to the appearance of this car. While it has very impressive performance folks don't seem to care for it looks. Maybe this 19 update will help.
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09-04-2018, 01:43 PM | #50 | |
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Anyone with their driver's license, no matter their physical size or height, should be able to get out of a 2018 Accord and get into a '72 Cadillac then into a 2018 Camaro and then into a panel van and within a couple minutes be well adjusted to driving responsibly, confidently, securely, and comfortably. I do not mince words here when I say if people have a hard time seeing out of this car, I'm not completely comfortable sharing the public roads with them. |
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09-04-2018, 01:50 PM | #51 | |
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Practicality is the number one problem IMO. Sure the Mustang isn't much more practical but it's more recognized. When I started thinking about a new car, the Mustang was the first to pop into my head. It's got the brand recognition. People shopping for a Mustang will easily overlook practicality. The Camaro does not have that luxury, it just doesn't. It needs that practical aspect to widen its target market just like the Challenger. The general public doesn't care about performance as much we do. Practicality, looks, gas mileage and price matter the most, and not necessarily in that order. The Challenger and the Camaro have much more in common than the Mustang. It's just that the Challenger is a lot more practical. |
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09-04-2018, 02:25 PM | #52 | |
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Remember sales dropped off almost immediately after the 6th Gen release despite all of the improvements over the 5th Gen.
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My name is Camaro....and I have a visibility problem. |
09-04-2018, 02:30 PM | #54 | |
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Only thing I can think off is price + styling with the 6th gen not being enough of a departure from the 5th. |
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09-04-2018, 02:49 PM | #55 |
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Do you want to make it more attractive to a larger customer base that has shifted towards economic SUV's? You'll have to make the car suck more.
Do you want to make it more attractive to buyers of Mustangs and Challengers? You'll have to get rid of the corvette and refactor your top end camaro lineup to compensate. Then you'll have to position your low end tiers to suck more so that their performance/quality lines up with the bottom tier performance of the competition so you can undercut their pricing. As car purchases become less and less justifiable with cars as a service becoming more and more common-place, the niche cars will be hit the hardest in sales first. The camaro, being a large, two seater sports car with a hilariously tiny trunk opening is very much a niche car. Maybe figure out at a way to bring back rear seats would help get more people who made the mistake of having a family and only enough money for 1 car. Maybe add some more cameras (Cameras and screens are cheap, throw them everywhere) for the short people who can't see anything out of the car. But i'm still going to go out on a limb and say that the easiest to fix and most harmful for it's entire life has been the existence of the corvette. Unlike it's competitors, this means that the camaro is second tier, even if you get the best one. You dont even have the option of faking higher trims like so many people do since it's a totally different body. Get rid of the corvette and the existence of the camaro is secure. |
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-The 5th gen was the 'comeback' car from the 4th gen which was discontinued. I think there was a lot of build-up to its release. -Then there were the transformer movies which naturally helped bring it more into the spotlight. -More competition now than ever before. -Market is changing to more family-oriented vehicles. -The 6th gen styling isn't that different, so It should not be much of a put off. |
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