[Torquem]

Originally Posted by angryBits

Wow they nailed the appearance of the car. It looks beautiful. Dare I say, better than my ZL1 1LE...

But I wish it had side-vents on the front fenders like the GT350.

I also wish our ZL1 had these side-vents.

But its too heavy and it's going to sell for $25k over MSRP...

ACS makes some killer carbon fenders with side vents..... for the regular SS.....
I was so bent they didn't make them for the ZL1.

[17CamaroZL1]

Originally Posted by hashtag

Lots of hype on the 2020 Ford Shelby GT500. What a beautiful and amazing car from what I can tell. Ford just realesed a press video that states sub 3’sec 0-60 & a sub 11 sec quarter mile. Their 4200 Pound Curb Weight GT500 will not be beating us in stock form.

Well, I thought you just made a wild guess at the weight of the car and didn't think it would be anywhere near that heavy, but you might be right. If so, I may have to recant my performance numbers, even though it is still possible if they don't hamper the car off the line with massive amounts of torque management.

Originally Posted by mdmoore23

I haven't seen any concrete info on weight. Who said it'll be 4200 pounds? And actually, even if it is and it has 700+ hp that may be enough to not matter. Hellcats are over 4500lbs and can keep up or beat a ZL1 in a straight line.


What's everybody's problem with the gear selector knob? It's just there to select park, reverse, neutral, drive, and manual mode. Most Ford vehicles have that now and manufacturers commonly keep switchgear like that common across their lineups. It's cool to me since the car doesn't need a floor mounted shifter and it unclutters that console area.


This car will not sticker any $100k. How does this "look" like it will be the one? If we're talking markups, GT350R's have already crossed that mark.



The DCT is a brand new transmission from Tremec. If I'm not mistaken, this will be the first car it is used in. And you must be joking about the GT350 being a flop? They were far from a flop. The R's still go for over sticker price to this day, and it's over 3 years after launch. The regular models still command sticker or very small discounts at most. You're very wrong here.



Several forum members have broken into the 10's with A10 ZL1's, but it's not common. If he GT500 can put the power down, and has well over 700hp, it will be faster no doubt.

https://youtu.be/I6qy5RxH7_g

I just watched this video that talks about this supposedly fake leaked document, that looks like was actually real, factual information. So I think those are most likely the real numbers. 720 hp, 650 lb/ft, 4225 lbs. With a 300+ lb disadvantage, it will be hard for that extra 70 hp to make it faster than our A10s.

As for the shifter knob, it just doesn't look or feel right for a sports car. Maybe it's just me being used to shifting gears. Every sports car I've owned have been manuals except 2. Even if I'm driving an auto, if it has a shifter in the console, I rest my hand on it quite a bit. Lol! Then with my Z, if I shift it manually, I always use the shifter unless I'm really being aggressive, then I use the paddles. It just feels more natural using the shifter. Can't do that in the GT500.

[17CamaroZL1]

I do love the look of the car even if I don't care for the knob, and at this point, a bit let down on what its performance metrics are looking like with the info we have. It's still an awesome car that will be a threat to its direct competitors. The Demon killer statement just had us all expecting more than what will be delivered, it looks like.

[mdmoore23]

Originally Posted by unavailablezl1

I would be more inclined to buy the Supra. Better quality, fit and finish and paint.

Hey man! You just crossed the line with this comment. Lol. But seriously, that Supra has to one of the biggest auto show letdowns ever. Toyota, after 20 years just basically subcontracted out a build of it's most iconic car ever. Can they not put a real focus on anything besides economy cars? All this time and they couldn't dig in and create their own real sports car? They have to be one of the most profitable automakers out there, and this watered down thing is what we get? The FT1 concept is what this car deserves to be. And it deserves more than 330 horsepower. That's barely more than the car had 20 years ago. 500hp should've been the least they even considered. It's a sad machine.

This is the car we should've seen this week.

[mdmoore23]

Not this

[detltu]

Yeah, count me in the group that is unimpressed with the Supra. I was never that big a fan of the original though.

[detamble13]

From what I've read they had to scale down the FT-1 concept to fit the architecture BMW would be supplying. Definitely not as good looking as the concept. The most disappointing part of the car to me was that you can't get a manual and it doesn't have a back seat.

Back to the GT500. It would be a Camaro enthusiasts dream if Chevy dropped the LT5 in a ZL1 to steal some of this cars thunder. I'll always remember when they announced the 5th gen ZL1 numbers and Ford immediately let everyone know the GT500 would surpass it. I realize the ZL1 is the better overall car but the 2013 GT500 sure made some headlines and I'd like to see some payback.

So GM if you're listening... the day Ford releases the numbers (weight will probably be the most important for this car) you let the internet know the Camaro is getting the LT5. Also release a commercial that has Megan Fox in it... she pulls up next to a brand new GT500 that still has the dealer markup on the window and surprisingly says "Oh you got the GT500?". The guy hangs his head and says "Yeah, I guess I did". Then she screams off in her badass LT5 Camaro. Not too much to ask right.

[SpeedIsLife]

Apparently it's a great challenge for people to understand that design concept cars (FT-1) are never practical for production.

[chrisvr6]

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[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Stealth7

I do not think official power figures have been released yet. If the power is around the stated amount and same with weight, and it is Real-Wheel Drive, then that DCT will need to be MacLaren magic to get under 11 sec. in the 1/4 mi.

In an interesting quote, the Ford rep. indicated that the DCT was used because the A10 (a variation of the A10 in our cars) had trouble with the Torque! This is the opposite of what every other source has said on the ability DCT's to handle heavy torque. I would also point out that our ZL1 A10 seems to do fine with 650trq. And yes, I am aware of torque management software and its role in saving the transmission.

The ZL1 variant is a heavier duty version that not only did Ford not opt into, they were caught off guard that GM was executing and leading off with it in the ZL1. They thought they were gonna be first with the 10AT in their trucks. ZL1 beat ‘em by a few months.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by unavailablezl1

So far as I can tell, it is going to be a heavy car and at the most 70 more HP than the ZL1. The ZL1 1LE is so much lighter. It should take the GT500 on a road course, but it will be close.

What I don't get is that shitty transmission. It is not a sports car, it is a boulevard cruiser.

I thought we grew out of push button transmissions like this.!!

Originally Posted by 17CamaroZL1

Well, I thought you just made a wild guess at the weight of the car and didn't think it would be anywhere near that heavy, but you might be right. If so, I may have to recant my performance numbers, even though it is still possible if they don't hamper the car off the line with massive amounts of torque management.



https://youtu.be/I6qy5RxH7_g

I just watched this video that talks about this supposedly fake leaked document, that looks like was actually real, factual information. So I think those are most likely the real numbers. 720 hp, 650 lb/ft, 4225 lbs. With a 300+ lb disadvantage, it will be hard for that extra 70 hp to make it faster than our A10s.

As for the shifter knob, it just doesn't look or feel right for a sports car. Maybe it's just me being used to shifting gears. Every sports car I've owned have been manuals except 2. Even if I'm driving an auto, if it has a shifter in the console, I rest my hand on it quite a bit. Lol! Then with my Z, if I shift it manually, I always use the shifter unless I'm really being aggressive, then I use the paddles. It just feels more natural using the shifter. Can't do that in the GT500.

Originally Posted by 17CamaroZL1

I do love the look of the car even if I don't care for the knob, and at this point, a bit let down on what its performance metrics are looking like with the info we have. It's still an awesome car that will be a threat to its direct competitors. The Demon killer statement just had us all expecting more than what will be delivered, it looks like.

I get the impression that some people are associating the knob with the functionality and capability of the dual clutch transmission. DCTs are the transmission of choice for fast exotics. The GTR is as quick as it is in large part due to its DCT. Same for McLarens. Rumor has it C8 will have a DCT.

I do get the angst over the dial. The dial is only to select direction. Parked, forward, or reverse. Manual gear selection is through the paddles. But personally, I’m like 17CamaroZL1 in that I at least want the option to shift with a console mounted shifter. Lack of that doesn’t invalidate the transmission’s functionality though.

[benjj]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Apparently it's a great challenge for people to understand that design concept cars (FT-1) are never practical for production.

Who’s having trouble with understanding this? And since when was the supra(a 2 seater sports car) ever supposed to be practical? The Supra, like the skyline, ford gt, or zr1 are highly impractical cars that push the envelope of design and technical capabilities of an auto maker. Often times these cars sacrifice practicality even further to make a beautiful car just to drum up excitement for the brand as a whole.

I feel people are having a more challenging time understanding why Toyota felt the need to use the Supra name on a car that is so “meh.”

[mdmoore23]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Apparently it's a great challenge for people to understand that design concept cars (FT-1) are never practical for production.

I don't see where anyone is having trouble. Toyota simply should've delivered a car that had peoples attention and that was the FT1. It wasn't some super crazy concept. It was a doable vehicle from what I could see. They simply had to change the dimensions to what we currently see because of the BMW partnership. There's no other reason. Had they built their own car and not subcontracted it out, they could've delivered something closer to the concept. The fact is that after 20 years of absolutely no exciting cars coming from them, it seems they couldn't even be bothered with trying to deliver something that lives up to their most iconic nameplate. They should've just stuck to the TRD Camry's and Avalons.

[Realist]

GT500 looks great but with no manual would never consider it. No HUD or sunroof is unfortunate as well. Supra front end got hit with the ugly stick and would never ever consider it. The GT500 dealer markups are gonna make my ZL1 deal at or near half the price. Either way competition is good.