[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

Look at all the media outlets. No one is talking about the GT500 except the Mustang forums and Mustang fans. Is it the highest horsepower car in the segment? No. Is it an affordable mid-engine with super car acceleration? No. Is it the most expensive option that we know almost nothing about? Yep.

The gt500 will sell well and will be a hot ticket but your absolutely right. Even some of the mustang media on YouTube have jumped ship to the c8. The c8 has clearly stolen the gt500 buzz at the moment, this is obvious unless you've been living under a rock and don't give a shit about either car.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

Alex Flores, a well known Lund Racing tuner claimed that he had it on good authority from someone close to the project that the base gt500 ran slower than a gt350r at a certain track. It'll be interesting how much faster the gt500 cf will be. Interesting food for though if the info is legit.

If that's true....LOL wow.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

Alex Flores, a well known Lund Racing tuner claimed that he had it on good authority from someone close to the project that the base gt500 ran slower than a gt350r at a certain track. It'll be interesting how much faster the gt500 cf will be. Interesting food for though if the info is legit.

If that is the case then the GT500 seems like it will be the most inconsistent car ever. One minute people are saying that it beat a Ford GT at a track. Now people are saying it can't beat a GT350R. What the hell is going on with this car?

If it loses to the 350R then that is certainly bad news. Because I don't think there would be any track that it'll beat a ZL1 in if that is the case. The R, according to some, was faster than the ZL1 around corners. But the ZL1 beat it because it made up for that time in the straights where it pummeled the R. So if the GT500 can't beat the R then it was probably on a track where it could not stretch it's legs. And that means that it definitely does not corner as well as the R. Probably because it weighs 4100 pounds and is nose heavy. So against a well balanced car like the ZL1 which has a better engine design it will not stand a chance. And then there's the ZLE...

[jvandy50]

if Alex said this in a video, do you have a link perhaps? I love his vids lol.

And remember guys the R is on cup 2 tires, what is the base 500 on?

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by jvandy50

if Alex said this in a video, do you have a link perhaps? I love his vids lol.

And remember guys the R is on cup 2 tires, what is the base 500 on?

Same cup2 I think

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by jvandy50

if Alex said this in a video, do you have a link perhaps? I love his vids lol.

And remember guys the R is on cup 2 tires, what is the base 500 on?

Originally Posted by Chadicus

Same cup2 I think

Pilot Sport 4S for base, Cup 2 for CFTP.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Pilot Sport 4S for base, Cup 2 for CFTP.

Ah ok. Makes sense. I stand corrected.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by jvandy50

if Alex said this in a video, do you have a link perhaps? I love his vids lol.

And remember guys the R is on cup 2 tires, what is the base 500 on?

It was one of his "talking shit" Tuesday live videos, I believe from two weeks ago. I like his videos as well, wish there was an informative yet charismatic gm guy like him.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by jvandy50

if Alex said this in a video, do you have a link perhaps? I love his vids lol.

And remember guys the R is on cup 2 tires, what is the base 500 on?

Here you go... 16:45 he starts on the gt500 subject, 17:25 he starts talking about the gt350r vs the base gt500.

https://youtu.be/4b1UbY0gpI0

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I seem to remember these same comments about the GT350 and GT350R. Now look. People are trying to get out of them. I've been seeing more and more of them selling in the $40K range. And to add insult to the injury, lots of people prefer the GTs and Bullitts over the GT350s. I seem to remember you or someone else talking about how they were going to be worth more than MSRP for years to come. And that does not seem to be the case anymore. Those cars had "For Sale" signs on them right after GM announced the MSRP of the C8. And those prices dropped and dropped since then. How long do you think the GT500 will retain a high value? 1 year? 2 years? Even the Demons are starting to drop and they, much like the GT500, all sold with many of them going way over MSRP. People are not getting that money back for those cars because those prices have been dropping like a ton of bricks too. And now FCA has a sale on ALL models of the Challenger including the Hellcat. I think it is like $10 off per horsepower which brings Hellcats down by almost $8K. Yet 2 years ago some dealerships were still charging markups. 3 years ago and you were not buying one without a markup. Oh how times have changed. Now look. $8K off. And you can get a used low mileage version for mid $40K. Just like the GT350s. So how long do you think the act will keep up this time.

As far as rebates and discounts on the C8, that is why we all can afford high performance cars from GM while Mustang guys are always stuck in base model GTs with a PP1 package added on. And that is why we pay less for better performing cars that are also more durable and better built. People paid ZL1 money for the non-R GT350. And they paid Z06 money for the R. And neither of those two cars could match the performance of cars that costed the same amount of money. Now here comes the GT500 at a high MSRP that most Mustang guys can't afford and the ones who can afford it are refusing to buy just to get outdone by the cheaper, discounted, rebated C8 that most of the SS owners here and all of the ZL1 owners can get into. I actually hope GM discounts it and offers rebates. That just means I'll get an awesome mid engine car even cheaper.

1st let's set some things straight. The GT350 was commanding markups for several years while the ZL1 and C7 needed discounts to move the product. The same will happen quickly for the C8. And exactly when did the Mustang have to be measured against the Corvette have you written off the Camaro already. The new C8 has power only similar to a 4 yro old 35k Scatpack, Chevy should have offered more hp.

Until Chevy does something with the Camaro or a faster version of the C8 it will likely have nothing to offer that is capable of taking down a 500 or a HC RE at the strip in either the Camaro or Corvette lines. All the more reason to wait for a Z06 package. But hey I am sure we will discuss Ring times.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by newmoon

1st let's set some things straight. The GT350 was commanding markups for several years while the ZL1 and C7 needed discounts to move the product. The same will happen quickly for the C8.

Ok. And because of those markups that idiots paid the Shelby is now priced soo far out of reach that the vast majority of normal people who were considering one have already done put themselves on the C8 list. Meanwhile our ZL1s and C7s that are just soo horrible that they have to be heavily discounted can be had for a mint and will destroy anything that Ford puts on the table.

Originally Posted by newmoon

And exactly when did the Mustang have to be measured against the Corvette have you written off the Camaro already.

When it started costing more. That's when. Regardless of competitors, it will always come down to what you'll pay for X and what you can get for that same money somewhere else. When the GT500 costs way more than the ZL1 and is in C8 Z06 price range then guess what. Someone somewhere is going to figure out that for the same money they can get a car that will whup the snot out of the GT500.

Originally Posted by newmoon

The new C8 has power only similar to a 4 yro old 35k Scatpack, Chevy should have offered more hp.

Ok. Which one will win in the quarter mile and around a track. I put my money on the C8. Care to place a bet??

Originally Posted by newmoon

Until Chevy does something with the Camaro or a faster version of the C8 it will likely have nothing to offer that is capable of taking down a 500 or a HC RE at the strip in either the Camaro or Corvette lines. All the more reason to wait for a Z06 package. But hey I am sure we will discuss Ring times.

Not for nothing, but it is a standard Vette. If the only thing the GT500 can brag about is that it can beat the standard C8 in a straight line then that is a huge waste of $74K+. It won't beat the C8 Z06 at anything. And I bet the C8 Z06 will come in cheaper too.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by newmoon

1st let's set some things straight. The GT350 was commanding markups for several years while the ZL1 and C7 needed discounts to move the product. The same will happen quickly for the C8. And exactly when did the Mustang have to be measured against the Corvette have you written off the Camaro already. The new C8 has power only similar to a 4 yro old 35k Scatpack, Chevy should have offered more hp.

Until Chevy does something with the Camaro or a faster version of the C8 it will likely have nothing to offer that is capable of taking down a 500 or a HC RE at the strip in either the Camaro or Corvette lines. All the more reason to wait for a Z06 package. But hey I am sure we will discuss Ring times.

Does it trigger you that all of us here on this forum, and judging by the sudden lack of media coverage for the 500 90% of the rest of the world, would rather have a 60k Corvette instead of a 74k Mustang?

The base model Z51 Corvette is already faster 0-60 than the GT500. For a minimum of 10k less. And there are already rumors of disappointment for the GT500 and we still dont know a single relevant performance time on anything but 0-60. Which is beat by a slow, Scatpack level car with a truck engine.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by newmoon

1st let's set some things straight. The GT350 was commanding markups for several years while the ZL1 and C7 needed discounts to move the product.

You’re a bright guy. Let’s see if you can figure it out from the “fun facts” exchange I had with Ethanolic.

In 2018 Ford produced 4,378 GT350’s. Chevy produced 6,164 ZL1’s
In 2018 Ford produced 633 GT350R. Chevy produced 1,567 ZLE

Chevy delivered the first 2017 ZL1 eight months into the 2017 model year (April 15, 2017). That’s 3,048 in four months.

In 2016 Ford delivered 3,814 overheating GT350’s without coolers

In one year of production (2018), Chevy produced more ZL1 1LE’s (1,567) than Ford produced GT350R in 2015, 2016 and 2017 combined (1,469).

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showp...postcount=1570

Originally Posted by newmoon

The same will happen quickly for the C8. And exactly when did the Mustang have to be measured against the Corvette have you written off the Camaro already. The new C8 has power only similar to a 4 yro old 35k Scatpack, Chevy should have offered more hp.

Let’s hope. An inexpensive Chevy super car for the masses. That’s the kind of “special” I prefer.

[Ethanolic]

Originally Posted by hotlap

You’re a bright guy. Let’s see if you can figure it out from the “fun facts” exchange I had with Ethanolic.[INDENT]
In 2018 Ford produced 4,378 GT350’s. Chevy produced 6,164 ZL1’s

Chevy delivered the first 2017 ZL1 eight months into the 2017 model year (April 15, 2017). That’s 3,048 in four months.

Ford sold more Gt350’s in 2016 & 2017 than ZL1 did in 2018...2018 was a 7 month production run for the GT350.. if you extrapolate 2018 GT350 numbers out to 12 months it would have outsold 2018 ZL1 again.