09-17-2019, 06:03 PM | #3529 | |
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I don't think the ZL1 needs the LT5 specifically. But a cheap version of it would be nice. Like a LT4.5, lol!! The ZL1 does not need 750 HP if you ask me. With it's balance and looking at how well it was developed and made I'm willing to bet that it would beat the competition at everything if it had 700-725 HP. And considering that the Camaro community constantly walks around talking about how the ZL1 (as amazing as it is) isn't worth MSRP, I doubt they would make enough money to justify building it. Here we have the best performing car for the money on the planet and outside of GM you'd have to spend over $90K just to beat the car yet all I hear is people saying "oh I can get a brand new fully optioned ZLE for $60K OTD". So I say leave the car alone. I'd hate to see GM put time and effort into building an even better ZL1 and then these goons not wanna spend money on it and end up putting the Camaro in a bad financial spot. |
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09-17-2019, 08:24 PM | #3530 | |
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09-18-2019, 07:27 AM | #3531 | |
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The ZL1 A10 is the star of the lineup, it offers it's owners fantastic all around performance, street, strip, and track without abusing the driver all with an even lower price than the ZLE, this is the car to compare to the Base 500.
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09-18-2019, 07:50 AM | #3532 | |
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ZR1 manual take rate was also 30% - so it seems that the higher HP models had more manual buyers...something to keep in mind. What I see from "millennial" auto enthusiasts is the opposite of the "manual is dying" trend...they are driving BRZs, STIs, EVOs, Focus RS or STs, etc...and you guessed it, all with manuals. Agreed on LT5 Camaro dominance...and I can't see GM sitting for another 3 straight years on 6th gen production without any significant changes or upgraded power - still hoping!
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09-18-2019, 08:04 AM | #3533 | |
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Also anyone who complains about the zle ride harshness is an old puss and probably shouldn't have a low slung hard to get into sports car to begin with. The zl1s and zl1 1le's will get beaten on the street by the gt500 and probably embarrassed at the strip... but at least it won't get gt350 embarrassed getting beaten by lower trim, lower power, and cheaper cars. Sure it'll lose to a more expensive, more powerful, newer car like it should. However it will be gt350 embarrassing if that weaker, older, cheaper car beats the gt500 at the track, you know the place where overall performance is actually tested.
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09-18-2019, 08:10 AM | #3534 | |
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09-18-2019, 08:56 AM | #3535 | |
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09-18-2019, 09:04 AM | #3536 | |
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Plus his argument is completely invalid, I've seen 10x as many ZLEs at track days than GT350s & GT350Rs and guess which one has been out twice as long?!?! Sure some dealers are marking down the ZLEs but how is that a bad thing? Because Chevy dealers aren't all greedy shit heads like Ford dealers putting $50k mark ups on 350Rs/Raptors/GT500s?!?! Seems like a plus to me.
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09-18-2019, 09:05 AM | #3537 | |
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"The ZL1 A10 is the star of the lineup, it offers it's owners fantastic all around performance, street, strip, and track without abusing the driver all with an even lower price than the ZLE, this is the car to compare to the Base 500."
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09-18-2019, 09:21 AM | #3538 | |
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09-18-2019, 09:43 AM | #3539 | |
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Yes the zl1 a10 is on the same basis as the base GT500, but its also $12k+ cheaper when equipped equal to each other. |
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At the end of the day, at least the ZL1 isn't a Ford and that's how I feel about it. ~
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09-18-2019, 09:55 AM | #3541 | |
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You pop in, drop some comment that is negative to the Camaro in response to something completely different, and disappear.
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This
This. All day.
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