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Old 12-04-2018, 06:16 PM   #225
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How the hell did we get from GM to shutdown factories to a global warming debate?
Don’t forget human population.
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Well believe it or not, it's all tied together. It's the environmentalists that are forcing the changes in regulations that are making it more and more difficult for vehicle manufacturers to make their vehicles meet the standards the environmentalists are demanding.

Part of their alarmist agenda is the fact that we are having more and more vehicles, because of more and more population, which is causing more and more "warming" of the "environment". They make the mistake; either unknowingly or deliberately, that environmental pollution and climate are the same thing, but they're not.

If we pollute our environment, that may very well put an end to us, but the climate will continue; the four seasons will keep repeating with or without us. The earth has a long history of warming and cooling trends which have absolutely nothing to do with us. The data the alarmists are using to ring the alarm bell (which coincidentally always includes requests for vast sums of money) is faulty, which non-agenda scientists have been pointing out for years now. The alarmists don't want to hear that, so they start getting emotional, angry, "outraged" and have changed their dialog to include the words "settled science" as though just because they say that, that makes it true. Don't you dare question that or them, or you're a nazi who wants to kill babies, bambi and destroy the future. I'm sure you've noticed how emotional they get if you don't agree with them.

We haven't been studying the earth's temperature variances anywhere near long enough to declare what it's going to do one way or the other. The only thing we know is that there have been ice ages, thaws and warm periods, followed by ice ages in the past which had absolutely nothing to do with us. That means the earth has those kinds of cycles with or without us. They don't want to look at the real reason why, either because it hasn't occurred to them (which I personally believe is very likely) or the real reason doesn't give them any leverage to ask for money.

On a large scale, the solar system is very much like an electric motor, which is an area of study that climatologists most likely have never looked at or even thought of. The sun generates its magnetic field throughout the solar system, and each planet circling it is constantly moving through that magnetic field. As I stated earlier in this thread, when a conductor moves through a magnetic field, it generates electricity in the conductor which also generates heat. Heat, or the absence of heat dictates our climate. That dominate heat source is the earth's core, which is heated up by the electrical energy generated by the molten metallic core of the earth as it moves through the magnetic field of the sun.

According to Einstein, there is no such thing as cold. We cannot measure cold; we can only measure heat. Cold is the absence of heat. There is no such thing as dark; we cannot measure dark, we can only measure light which is radiant energy; aka heat. Dark is the absence of light.

We humans have absolutely no effect on that. It existed before we did, and it will exist after we are gone. If we were to wipe ourselves out, either through war, disease, or whatever... the climate would still be here; spring, summer, fall and winter.

It's a common mistake and misunderstanding to confuse environmental pollution with climate; either global warming or cooling. Environmental pollution affects living things; it does not affect the climate. Environmental pollution affects the surface; climate affects the entire planet, all over the surface and down into the ocean depths. The temperature and movements of deep ocean currents have a significant effect on the climate, and those are controlled by the temperature of the core, and resulting seismic/volcanic activity. An earthquake under the sea can change the course of a deep sea current, and that absolutely will have an effect on the climate. Most likely that's what caused the significant changes we can see have happened in the past. We have no effect on that. It's been doing its thing ever since the beginning, still is, and will continue with or without us on the surface.

It's in all our best interests if the misguided environmentalists do NOT start trying to tamper with the atmosphere and attempt to artificially change the surface climate. It will be like trying to "save the forests" by switching to plastic, only the consequences could be far far worse. If anything could wipe us out as a species, trying to change the climate by monkeying around with the atmosphere on a global scale would be it. Look at their track record of ringing the alarm bell... they've been saying we only have 5-10 years for us to give them all our money so they can save us...for the past 48 years. They've never been right; just wrong over and over, but they keep trying. They just can't give up the hope of hitting the funding lottery.

The internal combustion engine and vehicles that use them are being blamed for causing "climate change", when in fact they aren't doing any such thing. Volcanoes push more gases into our atmosphere than we do, and they've been doing that forever. The climate is still here. Environmental pollution is a valid concern and that involves polluting our land and water supplies, but that's not the same thing as climate.
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what was in my post that was so objectionable? what...that we could end up with an planet that can't sustain human life?
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On a large scale, the solar system is very much like an electric motor, which is an area of study that climatologists most likely have never looked at or even thought of. The sun generates its magnetic field throughout the solar system, and each planet circling it is constantly moving through that magnetic field. As I stated earlier in this thread, when a conductor moves through a magnetic field, it generates electricity in the conductor which also generates heat. Heat, or the absence of heat dictates our climate. That dominate heat source is the earth's core, which is heated up by the electrical energy generated by the molten metallic core of the earth as it moves through the magnetic field of the sun.

Doc;

now my brain is screaming thru this Earth as a step down transformer situation thanks for the intriguing addition to my day, I agree it is , and wonder if we will see a cooling as predicted by the intertwined reduced solar spot activity theorized aka the minimium?, would a thinner/weaker magnetic field of earth follow?

If we get the cooling, maybe we can finally stop getting fed crap by the political taxing elitists.

p.s. also great to see the paramedics join the french yellow jackets and get the carbon tax removed for now over there
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Well believe it or not, it's all tied together. It's the environmentalists that are forcing the changes in regulations that are making it more and more difficult for vehicle manufacturers to make their vehicles meet the standards the environmentalists are demanding.

Part of their alarmist agenda is the fact that we are having more and more vehicles, because of more and more population, which is causing more and more "warming" of the "environment". They make the mistake; either unknowingly or deliberately, that environmental pollution and climate are the same thing, but they're not.

If we pollute our environment, that may very well put an end to us, but the climate will continue; the four seasons will keep repeating with or without us. The earth has a long history of warming and cooling trends which have absolutely nothing to do with us. The data the alarmists are using to ring the alarm bell (which coincidentally always includes requests for vast sums of money) is faulty, which non-agenda scientists have been pointing out for years now. The alarmists don't want to hear that, so they start getting emotional, angry, "outraged" and have changed their dialog to include the words "settled science" as though just because they say that, that makes it true. Don't you dare question that or them, or you're a nazi who wants to kill babies, bambi and destroy the future. I'm sure you've noticed how emotional they get if you don't agree with them.

We haven't been studying the earth's temperature variances anywhere near long enough to declare what it's going to do one way or the other. The only thing we know is that there have been ice ages, thaws and warm periods, followed by ice ages in the past which had absolutely nothing to do with us. That means the earth has those kinds of cycles with or without us. They don't want to look at the real reason why, either because it hasn't occurred to them (which I personally believe is very likely) or the real reason doesn't give them any leverage to ask for money.

On a large scale, the solar system is very much like an electric motor, which is an area of study that climatologists most likely have never looked at or even thought of. The sun generates its magnetic field throughout the solar system, and each planet circling it is constantly moving through that magnetic field. As I stated earlier in this thread, when a conductor moves through a magnetic field, it generates electricity in the conductor which also generates heat. Heat, or the absence of heat dictates our climate. That dominate heat source is the earth's core, which is heated up by the electrical energy generated by the molten metallic core of the earth as it moves through the magnetic field of the sun.

According to Einstein, there is no such thing as cold. We cannot measure cold; we can only measure heat. Cold is the absence of heat. There is no such thing as dark; we cannot measure dark, we can only measure light which is radiant energy; aka heat. Dark is the absence of light.

We humans have absolutely no effect on that. It existed before we did, and it will exist after we are gone. If we were to wipe ourselves out, either through war, disease, or whatever... the climate would still be here; spring, summer, fall and winter.

It's a common mistake and misunderstanding to confuse environmental pollution with climate; either global warming or cooling. Environmental pollution affects living things; it does not affect the climate. Environmental pollution affects the surface; climate affects the entire planet, all over the surface and down into the ocean depths. The temperature and movements of deep ocean currents have a significant effect on the climate, and those are controlled by the temperature of the core, and resulting seismic/volcanic activity. An earthquake under the sea can change the course of a deep sea current, and that absolutely will have an effect on the climate. Most likely that's what caused the significant changes we can see have happened in the past. We have no effect on that. It's been doing its thing ever since the beginning, still is, and will continue with or without us on the surface.

It's in all our best interests if the misguided environmentalists do NOT start trying to tamper with the atmosphere and attempt to artificially change the surface climate. It will be like trying to "save the forests" by switching to plastic, only the consequences could be far far worse. If anything could wipe us out as a species, trying to change the climate by monkeying around with the atmosphere on a global scale would be it. Look at their track record of ringing the alarm bell... they've been saying we only have 5-10 years for us to give them all our money so they can save us...for the past 48 years. They've never been right; just wrong over and over, but they keep trying. They just can't give up the hope of hitting the funding lottery.

The internal combustion engine and vehicles that use them are being blamed for causing "climate change", when in fact they aren't doing any such thing. Volcanoes push more gases into our atmosphere than we do, and they've been doing that forever. The climate is still here. Environmental pollution is a valid concern and that involves polluting our land and water supplies, but that's not the same thing as climate.
what is the motive for the thousands of scientists, who say that our contribution to the climate change is threatening the planet, what is their motive to lie to us?
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Regardless of the argument, one should post links for peer reviewed research in order to substantiate said claims.

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Regardless of the argument, one should post links for peer reviewed research in order substantiate said claims.
haha...good one.

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

"Between burning fossil fuels and clearing forests, humans emit far more carbon dioxide than Earth’s natural physical and biological processes can remove.." - https://www.noaa.gov/resource-collections/carbon-cycle
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haha...good one.

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

"Between burning fossil fuels and clearing forests, humans emit far more carbon dioxide than Earth’s natural physical and biological processes can remove.." - https://www.noaa.gov/resource-collections/carbon-cycle
Can’t blame me for trying.
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That dominate heat source is the earth's core
If this were true, then why do we have ice caps at the north and south poles? Earth is a sphere? the core is equidistant to all parts of the earth?...why then is it so cold at the north and south poles if the core is such a massive heat source?
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BTW, according to NASA:

"Yes, the vast majority of actively publishing climate scientists – 97 percent – agree that humans are causing global warming and climate change. Most of the leading science organizations around the world have issued public statements expressing this, including international and U.S. science academies, the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and a whole host of reputable scientific bodies around the world. A list of these organizations is provided here" https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/
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Volcanoes push more gases into our atmosphere than we do, and they've been doing that forever.
NASA disagrees:

"Overall, volcanoes release less than 2 percent of the equivalent amount of CO2 released by human activities. Quite small. However, about once every 20 years there is a volcanic eruption (e.g., Mount Pinatubo, El Chichon) that throws out a tremendous amount of particles and other gases. These will effectively shield us enough from the sun to lead to a period of global cooling. The particles and gases typically dissipate after about 2 years, but the effect is nearly global."

https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/

It doesn't bother me that a discussion was started about climate change, I didn't start it, many have posted several statements as "facts". I have simply challenged those statements of fact in a polite way and I guess we'll see if I get banned for posting non-camaro6 consensus links to NASA and NOAA. I would think that most people would not be so offended by such informational posts as to report these posts. If you are offended by NASA and NOAA, just ignore their science, perhaps some of you can join their scientific endeavors and discover data that supports that humans, by way of CO2 emmissions, are NOT causing global warming and climate change. I sure would feel a lot better about the future of the Earth is such data existed.
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https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2659/f...nput-to-earth/

TSIS- 1 started measuring data March 2018 this will be interesting to see what it finds
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what was in my post that was so objectionable? what...that we could end up with an planet that can't sustain human life?
? I didn't object to your post, I just replied to it.

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what is the motive for the thousands of scientists, who say that our contribution to the climate change is threatening the planet, what is their motive to lie to us?
The motive? Funding? Where do you get the "thousands of scientists" from?

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haha...good one.

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

"Between burning fossil fuels and clearing forests, humans emit far more carbon dioxide than Earth’s natural physical and biological processes can remove.." - https://www.noaa.gov/resource-collections/carbon-cycle
So they say, because they've been studying the earth for millions of years, right?

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If this were true, then why do we have ice caps at the north and south poles? Earth is a sphere? the core is equidistant to all parts of the earth?...why then is it so cold at the north and south poles if the core is such a massive heat source?
You do know what comes up out of volcanoes, right? The north and south poles don't receive as much direct radiant energy, plus the fact that the earth's core is probably not a perfect sphere since it's molten and the earth is spinning. It's probably a bit wider than it is tall, just like the earth is. The earth isn't a perfect sphere either. The simple tilt of our earth as it spins can take us from summer to winter; from 100 degree + to below zero temps. Has nothing to do with us. There's also the fact that our earth doesn't rotate around the sun in a perfect circle, it's more of an oval so we have times when we're a bit closer, and a bit farther from the sun. All of this adds up to change; constant change. None of it has anything to do with us whatsoever.

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BTW, according to NASA:

"Yes, the vast majority of actively publishing climate scientists – 97 percent – agree that humans are causing global warming and climate change. Most of the leading science organizations around the world have issued public statements expressing this, including international and U.S. science academies, the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and a whole host of reputable scientific bodies around the world. A list of these organizations is provided here" https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/
That's a very misleading line: "...the vast majority of actively publishing climate scientists - 97 percent..." How many "actively publishing CLIMATE scientists are there? That's not all scientists, just a small group of a specific type, and only those who "actively publish", which is what? Nine out of ten? IF they could say a thousand leading scientists, they would. The way that's worded makes it look like the number is actually not very big, so they need to craft it in such a way as to make it appear overwhelming.

The United Nations is worthless as an authority of any kind about anything. Like NASA, they too need funding; desperately, and of course the deep pocket they all want to reach into is the United States. They want to buy our politicians so they can get legislation passed to force the transfer of great amounts of our wealth into their hands. This is having a direct impact on our automotive industry.

There's an old story about the Emperor's New Clothes that can give you a good insight into how things operate in these kinds of circles.

There's also this:

https://freebeacon.com/issues/alarmi...ed-math-error/

They always focus on CO2 as though that's the be-all end-all. I didn't specifically say CO2, I said "gases". Volcanic eruptions are the result of pressure from the core, which also causes seismic activity. We live on a floating crust wrapped around a raging molten core, and the majority of our crust is covered in water which is both a circulating cooling agent and functions like a giant heat sink. Volcanoes are a pressure release system, just like earthquakes are. The pressure is coming from the core. As they themselves acknowledged, a couple of volcanic eruptions pushed so much particulate into the atmosphere, that it caused cooling because it was blocking sunlight. Ever been in an eclipse? Isn't it amazing how you can feel the temperature drop as the moon blocks the sun? They speak of volcanic eruptions as though they're things that just happen. Volcanic eruptions, especially severe ones are signs of heat and pressure build-ups taking place in the core. We have absolutely ZERO effect on the earth's core.

Here's another link that discusses ocean warming:

https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/n...ural-disasters

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NASA disagrees:

"Overall, volcanoes release less than 2 percent of the equivalent amount of CO2 released by human activities. Quite small. However, about once every 20 years there is a volcanic eruption (e.g., Mount Pinatubo, El Chichon) that throws out a tremendous amount of particles and other gases. These will effectively shield us enough from the sun to lead to a period of global cooling. The particles and gases typically dissipate after about 2 years, but the effect is nearly global."

https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/

It doesn't bother me that a discussion was started about climate change, I didn't start it, many have posted several statements as "facts". I have simply challenged those statements of fact in a polite way and I guess we'll see if I get banned for posting non-camaro6 consensus links to NASA and NOAA. I would think that most people would not be so offended by such informational posts as to report these posts. If you are offended by NASA and NOAA, just ignore their science, perhaps some of you can join their scientific endeavors and discover data that supports that humans, by way of CO2 emmissions, are NOT causing global warming and climate change. I sure would feel a lot better about the future of the Earth is such data existed.
So that's it then, isn't it. The same groups who've been warning us for decades that we only have a few years to act or it's all over, (even though none of their predictions have even come close to being true) are all agreeing, so that must make it true! NOW we should let them take all our money!

Take note of what they ALWAYS want; money. Carbon tax, green tax, billions for research; Al Gore actually asked for 40 trillion!

Here's a few for you:

https://dailycaller.com/2017/11/29/s...-for-23-years/

http://www.remss.com/blog/faq-about-v40-tlt-update/

https://www.nationalreview.com/2015/...y-henry-payne/

https://realclimatescience.com/2017/...arctic-summer/

https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/n...ence-concludes

https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/n...ing-seem-worse

There are a lot of things you can read, but don't believe that the entire scientific community is in agreement on this; they aren't. When you see words like "everybody agrees", or things like that, ask the question: "Everybody who?" Everybody in the office of the article writer? Everybody in the breakroom? Everybody at the conference specifically set up for those who agree with a certain agenda? There are a lot of carefully worded statements that the authors probably know will easily be misread and/or misunderstood, which is why they're worded that way.

Remember: if you're looking for motive, follow the money. Don't look at what they say, look behind the curtain at what they do.
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