[mjk3888]

Not sure if this has been covered before but just discovered this last night and for those who are really serious about their data, its a must!!!

It's really tough to get setup but when this guys video helps a ton!

I used it to create a custom G-SUM data output to see how much of the tire grip I was actually using at all times. Great tool!

[RUQWIKR]

I used that same video a while back to get started with it...every time I go back in, I have to open that video again...

[Scargoes]

First I've seen this. Thanks for posting. This is more like what I wanted for data acquisition review.

[mjk3888]

Originally Posted by RUQWIKR

I used that same video a while back to get started with it...every time I go back in, I have to open that video again...

I think you can save your settings instead of having to recreate them every time.

[RUQWIKR]

Originally Posted by mjk3888

I think you can save your settings instead of having to recreate them every time.

It's not the save your settings issue...it's the dumb operator trying to remember how to get around the software. Heck, I forget how to do stuff on my iPhone and have to get my sons to help at times...

[mjk3888]

Originally Posted by RUQWIKR

It's not the save your settings issue...it's the dumb operator trying to remember how to get around the software. Heck, I forget how to do stuff on my iPhone and have to get my sons to help at times...

It is REALLY difficult but hopefully I'll learn it after a few more sessions. I wonder if its the actual software the race teams use instead of the flashy consumer version of the regular Toolbox.

[MoreSpeed]

Once you set up the data that you would like to analyze and the layout of the graphs, etc, you can just open new data files into that saved format. It becomes pretty easy to use at that point. However, that video and others help to get you to that point. There are some pretty unintuitive things you need to do to get set up the first time.

The tool is quite powerful and is worth using with your PDR files. It can answer lots of questions about your runs and help you compare where you are gaining or losing time between runs.

[Scargoes]

Played around with this more today and got my 3 quickest laps overlaid. pretty cool data. I need to get to the track more!!!

[RUQWIKR]

Originally Posted by MoreSpeed

Once you set up the data that you would like to analyze and the layout of the graphs, etc, you can just open new data files into that saved format. It becomes pretty easy to use at that point. However, that video and others help to get you to that point. There are some pretty unintuitive things you need to do to get set up the first time.

The tool is quite powerful and is worth using with your PDR files. It can answer lots of questions about your runs and help you compare where you are gaining or losing time between runs.

I love what all it shows you can't see normally, but, like you said, there are some unintuitive ways within. One of the biggest learnings for me was how little I was seeing actual Stability Control interaction when I run in PTM Sport 1 (which I do on dead cold tires and with passengers - just to have a bit of SC there). Looking at the PDR, you see the Traction Control symbol show up a bit frequently, but, I had only two very short instances of Stability Control on a 2:23 lap (with a passenger) on a 3.1-mile technical circuit (MSR-Cresson, TX). I never felt any SC, but, wondered how much was really there.

I haven't opened the tool in months (and months), so, I can't even tell myself how to get back to there. However, there is a ton of good data for review, comparisons, etc.

[D K]

how expensive is this program?

[Badmojo]

Originally Posted by D K

how expensive is this program?

Free! Just has a really steep learning curve.

Pi Toolbox:
http://support.cosworth.com/post/pi-...nloads-9658586

Cosworth Toolbox:
http://download.cosworth.com/downloa...r/GM/Index.htm

[Scargoes]

There is a paid version of Pi Toolbox but I haven't been able to find the price or how to upgrade to it.

[D K]

I remember when I raced shifter karts pi was the big name in the game and as ridiculously expensive.
Us low lives used drack. Which later became aim.

Originally Posted by Badmojo

Free! Just has a really steep learning curve.

Pi Toolbox:
http://support.cosworth.com/post/pi-...nloads-9658586

Cosworth Toolbox:
http://download.cosworth.com/downloa...r/GM/Index.htm

[Exgermanowner]

To reiterate what others have said, the basic Pi Tool box download is free as long as it's to one computer. It is a weird download process and the latest version is like from 2016, so I wasn't sure at first, but it will download.

The basic version doesn't allow any video integration. The HiPo driver channel on Youtube uses I think the "pro version" which is $1K + i believe.

One thing I didn't see until recently on the GM Cosworth Tool was the ability to sync the two laps you're trying to compare by distance vs. time. Which was one of the best functions that sent me to the Pi tool. How I missed it is beyond me, but it is in the Video and Corners menu way down in the very bottom right.

Also don't be afraid to ask other Camaro owners to share files. Unless you're in IMSA we all want to get better and push one another. I'm very fortunate that I have two other ZL1's buddies that are blowing my times away that I get to download their files and see where I'm losing time.

Besides the distance sync, the other really valuable piece in the Pi toolbox you can't see in the Cosworth tool is the ability to do split reports. Helps you focus on incremental improvement vs just going faster everywhere.

Both tools are just simply amazing and I wish I had gotten deeper into this years ago, outside of "Harry's Lap TImer" which for the cost wasn't horrible.