[Malbjey]

Originally Posted by gtfoxy

Jobs cost money. Someone has to pay them.

Where is that money coming from?

You can say that to argue against creating any type of job.



'Don't fix our roads, those jobs cost money!' 'Don't fix our bridges, that costs money!'



Should we not bother updating any other type of infrastructure because the jobs cost money?

[CHASLT1]

Originally Posted by Malbjey

You can say that to argue against creating any type of job.



'Don't fix our roads, those jobs cost money!' 'Don't fix our bridges, that costs money!'



Should we not bother updating any other type of infrastructure because the jobs cost money?

They have needed fixing for years but we bail out other countries or fight no win wars we never win and break countries and gotta pay to fix em. Something is wrong.

[NYJets12]

https://www.powernationtv.com/post/g...hicles+by+2035

GM will get rid of all gas power engines by 2035, won’t effect me I’ll be dead by then

[redcoats1976]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

That will never happen in our lifetime.

im only 63.im betting it will happen before my driving days are over.

[redcoats1976]

the only way EVs can work without a massive overhaul of our infrastructure is if a solar panel that produces enough electricity to run the vehicle and its systems becomes available.and theres always that rainy weather pattern that holds in place for a week or more.truth is,we are in a golden age of motoring right now and it wont last forever.

[Efi69Cam]

Originally Posted by gtfoxy

“Climate change is a tool to enact wealth redistribution.”

So from the onset everything is to be looked at through that lens.

This

[FarmerFran]

I remember when it was GLOBAL WARMING!!!!

[95 imp]

Originally Posted by FarmerFran

I remember when it was GLOBAL WARMING!!!!

I remember sitting in school and being indoctrinated when it was GLOBAL COOLING!

[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by FarmerFran

I remember when it was GLOBAL WARMING!!!!

We say climate change nowadays.

Get with the times.

Sent from toaster or something

[c4racer]

Originally Posted by UnknownJinX

We say climate change nowadays.

Get with the times.

Sent from toaster or something

as opposed to other times before us evil humans were here when the climate was always exactly the same right?

*cough* #iceage

[gtfoxy]

Originally Posted by Malbjey

You can say that to argue against creating any type of job.



'Don't fix our roads, those jobs cost money!' 'Don't fix our bridges, that costs money!'



Should we not bother updating any other type of infrastructure because the jobs cost money?

Roads are already built, well atleast their pathways. Even at that one has but research the cost involved to update existing roads & highways only to realize the over expenditures & failed processes involved in each project over time.

Highways slated to last 2 decades aren’t making it 5 or 6 years. Urban areas are in a flux of constant revamping & upgrade.

Shall we discuss the failed projects in MN & CA, to name a couple, with their light rails where overages & lack of foresight has pushed these projects in the hundreds of millions in overages?

What about the damn failures in CA & the I35 Bridge failure in MN where the MNDOT director was forced to resign & extensive malfeasance was proven? Only to have her later pop up scrunching for a job in the NE where she lied on her state employment application?

How would a nearly ground up initiative of electrical production, transmission & distribution fair? You seriously think any better? Especially since nothing, zip, zero, zilch has been planned, proposed or even remotely researched or considered as plausible, probable or significantly thought out to even the slightest degree.

Now imagine our current electrical grid requiring to be upgraded to handle nearly 10x’s (the number is actually closer to 50x’s) the current energy production & transmission it currently has to replace petrol fuel powered vehicles currently in use.

[Mister Will]

Originally Posted by 17Blk1LE

Here is some thinking. Let's stop making gasoline and diesel engines and let's pollute the earth with dead electric batteries, once they are no good. And let's look at a field of solar panels that once was a farm. AHole Biden just took money from the farmers too give to our socialist climate control.

What you are saying in a sense has already happened.

I am old enough to remember when paper bags were banned because we were using too much paper, and filling the landfills. So they stopped giving paper bags and replaced them with plastic bags. Some 30 years later they tell us that plastic bags are polluting the earth and we have to ban them. So what are we going to do when they tell us that we have to stop using batteries and electricity?

[Malbjey]

Originally Posted by gtfoxy

Roads are already built, well atleast their pathways. Even at that one has but research the cost involved to update existing roads & highways only to realize the over expenditures & failed processes involved in each project over time.

Highways slated to last 2 decades aren’t making it 5 or 6 years. Urban areas are in a flux of constant revamping & upgrade.

Shall we discuss the failed projects in MN & CA, to name a couple, with their light rails where overages & lack of foresight has pushed these projects in the hundreds of millions in overages?

What about the damn failures in CA & the I35 Bridge failure in MN where the MNDOT director was forced to resign & extensive malfeasance was proven? Only to have her later pop up scrunching for a job in the NE where she lied on her state employment application?

How would a nearly ground up initiative of electrical production, transmission & distribution fair? You seriously think any better? Especially since nothing, zip, zero, zilch has been planned, proposed or even remotely researched or considered as plausible, probable or significantly thought out to even the slightest degree.

Now imagine our current electrical grid requiring to be upgraded to handle nearly 10x’s (the number is actually closer to 50x’s) the current energy production & transmission it currently has to replace petrol fuel powered vehicles currently in use.

Yeah roads, highways, bridges, etc are already in place but it still costs $$$ to maintain them. Again though, that requires jobs.



Regarding new or updated infrastructure--imagine if we threw our hands up and refused to build new interstate highways in the 1900s, or railroads before then, because they 'cost money.' That's essentially what you're saying. Yes those things cost money and they also created jobs.



As for your examples, there will always be some issues associated with growth. Are we seriously going to allow those few examples to stop all progress?

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by Malbjey

The limitations of infrastructure is going to be a temporary problem. Won't we need to create jobs to address it? Isn't that a good thing?


I always see people say updating roads, bridges, tunnels, sewers, etc is a good way to create jobs. Somehow people are ignoring that when it comes to electrical infrastructure. Why is it good for those other things, but bad for electrical infrastructure? Its like some of you are just throwing up your hands and saying 'the infrastructure is bad!' and not bothering to think of how it can be addressed.

Yes updating infrastructure is always a good way to create jobs. The problem is every administration that comes in says they are are going to fix our infrastructure....yet it hasn't happened yet. That's why I don't have faith in them to get the electric grid up to the task.


Other note, if GM does get rid of ICE by 2035 I wonder how that will effect truck sales. I know the electric motors will definitely be able to provide enough power but will they be efficient enough for people that work their trucks hard?