Nissan Z vs the Camaro SS 1LE - Page 2

Camden45 · 08-17-2022, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by kropscamaro16

i just googled them and found them going for 53k in my area lol hard pass

Nissan dealers are some of the skeeviest, so I wasn't surprised when they said they're definitely doing mark ups on them. Just more to add on to the Nope pile.

raptor5244 · 08-17-2022, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kropscamaro16

i just googled them and found them going for 53k in my area lol hard pass

That's MSRP. I was checking out the Z forums and folks are saying dealers want $10k-30k over for this car. And some plan to pay it.

No adaptive suspension, smaller brakes, no dual exhaust or even an exhaust that sounds good on the manual, no HUD, no E-Diff, no Recaros. Hey but the center gauge display looks pretty good.

s346k · 08-17-2022, 06:05 PM

funny how a 6 year old camaro is still the bar

AZIROC · 08-17-2022, 08:26 PM

I'm more surprised that the Z got such a bad review. Most videos on it show it does really well on the track.

LT1ornothing · 08-17-2022, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by AZIROC

I'm more surprised that the Z got such a bad review. Most videos on it show it does really well on the track.

These new Z are really piggish man. My LT1 is down to about 3585 lbs with my only modification being a muffler delete. These new Z are around 3535 lbs from the factory. You are taking about a 50 lbs difference between my LT1 and a new Z. That is a very heavy Z, the heaviest Z ever made.

cdrptrks · 08-17-2022, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Christian1LE

Grinding second gear, car is soft as pudding. Why would anyone buy that junk and keep it stock?

It is a press car so a previous journalist probably managed to damage the 2nd gear synchro somehow. Surely they are not all like that or else several people screwed up in design and testing of the car.

I am surprised at how big of a lap time difference there is between the two cars...makes me appreciate how great of a value my SS 1LE is!

Dabjbr · 08-17-2022, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by cdrptrks

It is a press car so a previous journalist probably managed to damage the 2nd gear synchro somehow. Surely they are not all like that or else several people screwed up in design and testing of the car.

I am surprised at how big of a lap time difference there is between the two cars...makes me appreciate how great of a value my SS 1LE is!

Both throttle house and the straight pipes had the same complaint. You could be right, perhaps they shared the same press car. Or it is a flaw

raptor5244 · 08-18-2022, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by cdrptrks

It is a press car so a previous journalist probably managed to damage the 2nd gear synchro somehow. Surely they are not all like that or else several people screwed up in design and testing of the car.

I am surprised at how big of a lap time difference there is between the two cars...makes me appreciate how great of a value my SS 1LE is!

The mag ride suspension tech enables GM to stiffen up the chassis and suspension to deliver great lap times while keep the ride soft enough so your fillings don’t fall out.

At $50k plus that Z doesn’t even get adaptive dampers. They add $10k for the performance trim but they don’t add any meaningful performance.

ckt227 · 08-18-2022, 07:29 AM

Car & Driver or just did a 4 car comparison. Nissan Z, BMW M240I, Toyota Supra and Ford Mustang Mach 1. And that's the order they were ranked. I wish they would have thrown at least a1 SS 1LE in there.

ckt227 · 08-18-2022, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Camden45

Nissan dealers are some of the skeeviest, so I wasn't surprised when they said they're definitely doing mark ups on them. Just more to add on to the Nope pile.

In 2019 my wife wanted a Maxima. Sutherlin Nissan at one time had either a $3995 or $4995 mark up on their cars. It said on the additional window sticker, Environmental Fee, nitrogen tire fill, paint protectant, interior protection, tint and pinstriping and a $999 dealer fee. I don't know if they are still doing the crazy several thousand dollar fee but still have the $999 fee which is crazy. I guess people just pay it.

On the website right bow, they have a New 2021 Nissan GT-R T-spec Coupe, now I do not know how rare they are, but asking price is $429,988. For that much I could buy a house and new Z06 (if I could find one).

ZPirate · 08-18-2022, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by AZIROC

I'm more surprised that the Z got such a bad review. Most videos on it show it does really well on the track.

Most of the reviews I've seen have been mixed. The engine is decent, but the weak links have been the tires and the soft suspension. Nissan tried to make the ride better by stiffening the chassis, while softening the damping. I imagine the car would handle better with halfway decent tires like PS4S, but the damping is still going to be an issue.

Camden45 · 08-18-2022, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ZPirate

Most of the reviews I've seen have been mixed. The engine is decent, but the weak links have been the tires and the soft suspension. Nissan tried to make the ride better by stiffening the chassis, while softening the damping. I imagine the car would handle better with halfway decent tires like PS4S, but the damping is still going to be an issue.

Charge $10k for performance pack that contains an LSD, and still can't throw on a set of proper tires. Another money grab red flag.

Camden45 · 08-18-2022, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ckt227

Car & Driver or just did a 4 car comparison. Nissan Z, BMW M240I, Toyota Supra and Ford Mustang Mach 1. And that's the order they were ranked. I wish they would have thrown at least a1 SS 1LE in there.

I don't blame them for not including the Camaro, it's still essentially the same car since it was released. Doesn't mean it still wouldn't kick ass though.

Pupilbone · 08-19-2022, 12:11 AM

I’ve owned my share of Z’s, and also my fair share of Camaro’s. These are totally different rides, and it isn’t an apple to apple comparison.

My current 370 is a fantastic car. If you can drive, you’ll be able to take a Z (370 or older, I haven’t driven the new one), to its limits much more often than a ZL1 or SS. The ZL1 I have on paper is a 3.5 second car, while my Z comes in at 4.9. Both though are crazy fun.

In my opinion comparing the two (both are manual), the Z shifts better and easily handles as well perhaps better. My Camaro is a beast with immediate low end torque, while my Z is high strung and needs to be spun to 7000 before she explodes. Both cars will pucker your sphincter, and the Z is just as fun; but different. Before you slam it, drive one. If you do, you’ll see.

08-17-2022, 06:05 PM	#17
s346k Drives: like an old lady Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: indiana Posts: 2,396	funny how a 6 year old camaro is still the bar __________________ 2016+ camaro: everyone’s first car

08-19-2022, 12:11 AM	#28
Pupilbone Drives: 2019 Crush ZL1 M6 Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Grimsby, Ontario Posts: 708 View My Garage	I’ve owned my share of Z’s, and also my fair share of Camaro’s. These are totally different rides, and it isn’t an apple to apple comparison. My current 370 is a fantastic car. If you can drive, you’ll be able to take a Z (370 or older, I haven’t driven the new one), to its limits much more often than a ZL1 or SS. The ZL1 I have on paper is a 3.5 second car, while my Z comes in at 4.9. Both though are crazy fun. In my opinion comparing the two (both are manual), the Z shifts better and easily handles as well perhaps better. My Camaro is a beast with immediate low end torque, while my Z is high strung and needs to be spun to 7000 before she explodes. Both cars will pucker your sphincter, and the Z is just as fun; but different. Before you slam it, drive one. If you do, you’ll see. Attached Images __________________ #SaveTheManuals

08-17-2022, 08:26 PM	#18
AZIROC Drives: '86 IROC-Z '18 ZL1 Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Arizona Posts: 734	I'm more surprised that the Z got such a bad review. Most videos on it show it does really well on the track.

08-18-2022, 07:29 AM	#23
ckt227 Drives: CHEVROLET CORVETTE Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: SWFL Posts: 513	Car & Driver or just did a 4 car comparison. Nissan Z, BMW M240I, Toyota Supra and Ford Mustang Mach 1. And that's the order they were ranked. I wish they would have thrown at least a1 SS 1LE in there.

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