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torqueaddict · 05-21-2018, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by zx9rmal

A little off topic, but.......I know beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, but I can't for the life of me understand the comments by reviewers that state the Gen6 looks "cartoonish" or "transformer like". The SS, especially the 1LE, is just so aggressive looking and screams high performance. Just my $.02.

Agreed. I think a lot of it is jealousy. The Mustang looks tame by comparison.

SpeedIsLife · 05-21-2018, 02:32 PM

It's probably due to the fact the Camaro has been in every Transformers movie since 2007 and the design of the 6th Gen was hinted at in Transformers 4.

BlaqWhole · 05-21-2018, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by zx9rmal

A little off topic, but.......I know beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, but I can't for the life of me understand the comments by reviewers that state the Gen6 looks "cartoonish" or "transformer like". The SS, especially the 1LE, is just so aggressive looking and screams high performance. Just my $.02.

My ZL1, there is nothing cartoonish about it. Of the Big 3, the Camaro is far and away the most aggressive looking and sharpest of the bunch. Sometimes these reviewers say dumb shit just to get people to think a certain way. Or to give the competition fire. Kinda like they're instigating.

IOMike · 05-21-2018, 02:40 PM

One good thing about Ford is they keep improving. GM shows up, drops the mic and then doesn't come back for much at all until 6-7 years. So while Chevy builds the better all new car, Ford keeps improving.

They really need to up their MCE game. This goes for just about every GM product, they're basically small cosmetic upgrades and maybe an option or two.

I'm glad to see the GT is now as fast as the SS, but I don't think we will see a really good GT until the S650. Hopefully Chevy makes the SS a better day to day car too.

SpeedIsLife · 05-21-2018, 02:56 PM

I think the change from the A8 to the A10 is the biggest change for a MCE in a looong time for GM...the other big one was what...the switch from the LS2 to the LS3 in the C6? Even then that wasn't a MCE.

torqueaddict · 05-21-2018, 03:22 PM

Hate to be blunt, but from the issues that's plaguing the 2018 GTs, I can't say Ford is improving, they're merely polishing a turd. I'd rather have a car I can count on.

Threads like these should not exist on a car just released.

https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=102509

kidamer · 05-21-2018, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by torqueaddict

Hate to be blunt, but from the issues that's plaguing the 2018 GTs, I can't say Ford is improving, they're merely polishing a turd. I'd rather have a car I can count on.

Threads like these should not exist on a car just released.

https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=102509

Your right no other cars have issues? all the car companies have issues.
come on now. We can go to every car forum and copy and paste these all day
https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=503577

BlaqWhole · 05-21-2018, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kidamer

Your right no other cars have issues? all the car companies have issues.
come on now. We can go to every car forum and copy and paste these all day
https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=503577

Every car has issues. But Ford is notorious for having many issues that are not addressed over several Generations. The S550 suffered from a lot of the same issues that plagued the S197s. And a lot of their issues are across the entire car line. Whereas most other companies might have smaller things that pop up with a handful of their cars and are usually due to quality control as opposed to actual manufacturing problems.

SecondZ28 · 05-21-2018, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by zx9rmal

, especially the 1LE, is just so aggressive looking and screams high performance.

1LE looks like an old parts car with the black wrap. Probably a reason Mustang doesn't offer it.

torqueaddict · 05-21-2018, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by kidamer

Your right no other cars have issues? all the car companies have issues.
come on now. We can go to every car forum and copy and paste these all day
https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=503577

This is like comparing a heart attack to a broken foot. Sure, they're both injuries, but one is a lot more serious, a lot more expensive to remedy and will most likely require surgery.

I won't ever make the argument that no car has problems, but the seriousness of the issues does matter.

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Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Every car has issues. But Ford is notorious for having many issues that are not addressed over several Generations. The S550 suffered from a lot of the same issues that plagued the S197s. And a lot of their issues are across the entire car line. Whereas most other companies might have smaller things that pop up with a handful of their cars and are usually due to quality control as opposed to actual manufacturing problems.

Exactly. Faulty evap cores, driveline vibration, hood erosion, mt82 grinding, metallic engine ticking all come to mind.

BlaqWhole · 05-22-2018, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SecondZ28

1LE looks like an old parts car with the black wrap. Probably a reason Mustang doesn't offer it.

The Mustang doesn't offer it because it would drive the price of the Mustang sky high and then nobody would be able to brag about how a local dealership was selling a GT at MSRP for $32K but they talked them down to $28K OTD. Along with the fact that Ford has yet to find a way to offer bits and pieces of a package that can compete as they nickel and dime their customers to death a little at a time. Want the comparable package for the 1LE? Well you have to opt in the PP1 and then this option and that feature. And then to be competitive you also need this mode and this tire and all of that is in this package too. But then you lose X package because it can't be combined. And end of the day you still spent over $50K while the SS comes with everything and no hassle.

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Originally Posted by torqueaddict

Exactly. Faulty evap cores, driveline vibration, hood erosion, mt82 grinding, metallic engine ticking all come to mind.

Along with hood vibrations, oil consumption, clutch engagement/disengagement issues, torque converter shudder, tramline, axles that snap under stock power levels...

newmoon · 05-22-2018, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

The Mustang doesn't offer it because it would drive the price of the Mustang sky high and then nobody would be able to brag about how a local dealership was selling a GT at MSRP for $32K but they talked them down to $28K OTD. Along with the fact that Ford has yet to find a way to offer bits and pieces of a package that can compete as they nickel and dime their customers to death a little at a time. Want the comparable package for the 1LE? Well you have to opt in the PP1 and then this option and that feature. And then to be competitive you also need this mode and this tire and all of that is in this package too. But then you lose X package because it can't be combined. And end of the day you still spent over $50K while the SS comes with everything and no hassle.

Along with hood vibrations, oil consumption, clutch engagement/disengagement issues, torque converter shudder, tramline, axles that snap under stock power levels...

You do understand that even the base GT sporting 235s has run a reviewed time of 12:20s or has equaled the best reviewed time for the SS right?

BlaqWhole · 05-22-2018, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by newmoon

You do understand that even the base GT sporting 235s has run a reviewed time of 12:20s or has equaled the best reviewed time for the SS right?

So then when the Camaro was kicking the GT's ass...I guess it wasn't all due to the tires right? I mean, that was the big excuse back then..."give it wider tires and the Mustang will keep up". But now they're equaling the SS with 235s...??

Nsxmatt · 05-22-2018, 08:42 AM

Everyone was all "The 18 wont' run 11's no way" and they were proved wrong. then they said it couldn't run low 12's with base tires and now they are proved wrong yet again, so we resort back to old talk grasping for straws. This thread has been very comical with people putting their foot in their mouth over and over lol

05-21-2018, 02:32 PM	#996
SpeedIsLife Drives: Current Camaro-less Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Oregon Posts: 3,242	It's probably due to the fact the Camaro has been in every Transformers movie since 2007 and the design of the 6th Gen was hinted at in Transformers 4.

05-21-2018, 02:40 PM	#998
IOMike Drives: 2022 F150, 87 Monte Carlo Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: MN Posts: 1,267	One good thing about Ford is they keep improving. GM shows up, drops the mic and then doesn't come back for much at all until 6-7 years. So while Chevy builds the better all new car, Ford keeps improving. They really need to up their MCE game. This goes for just about every GM product, they're basically small cosmetic upgrades and maybe an option or two. I'm glad to see the GT is now as fast as the SS, but I don't think we will see a really good GT until the S650. Hopefully Chevy makes the SS a better day to day car too.

05-21-2018, 02:56 PM	#999
SpeedIsLife Drives: Current Camaro-less Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Oregon Posts: 3,242	I think the change from the A8 to the A10 is the biggest change for a MCE in a looong time for GM...the other big one was what...the switch from the LS2 to the LS3 in the C6? Even then that wasn't a MCE.

05-21-2018, 03:22 PM	#1000
torqueaddict Drives: Tesla M3 LR-AWD [Former 1SS owner] Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Miami Posts: 950	Hate to be blunt, but from the issues that's plaguing the 2018 GTs, I can't say Ford is improving, they're merely polishing a turd. I'd rather have a car I can count on. Threads like these should not exist on a car just released. https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=102509

05-22-2018, 08:42 AM	#1008
Nsxmatt Account Suspended Drives: 2017 Camaro Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Kentucky Posts: 622	Everyone was all "The 18 wont' run 11's no way" and they were proved wrong. then they said it couldn't run low 12's with base tires and now they are proved wrong yet again, so we resort back to old talk grasping for straws. This thread has been very comical with people putting their foot in their mouth over and over lol

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