Muscle car article [**ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS**]

NYJets12 · 08-12-2023, 03:12 PM

I saw this in the paper this morning about muscle cars going to the grave.
I thought I’d post it if anybody is interested. Alot of Mustang orders , I wonder if they’ll be alot of Camaro orders to.

NOTSINCE57 · 08-12-2023, 04:15 PM

Premium V8 pony cars die you run a model for 9 years without significant changes, don't advertise it and take a knee to the EV pushers. Good for Ford (even though I'd never drive one)

Palutz · 08-13-2023, 09:23 AM

These companies are pushing EVs and customers are rejecting their push. Ford itself lost billions on their EVs yet the big 3 are going forward with their washing machines. Good luck to them!

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/07/28/...ns-on-evs.html

arpad_m · 08-13-2023, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by BuckeyeROC

I hope this pans out with Ford. I'd love an awd hybrid Mustang. Awd plus you get to keep the V8 sound.

GM and their Karen CEO can go pound sand.

We were just discussing something along these lines with gpskinzhut the other day. He would love to slap two small electric motors onto the front wheels, just to help with traction at launch.

Not a bad idea at all, even though it'd make the front even heavier, but the small battery to power these baby front motors could be placed in the rear to compensate.

Mike818 · 08-13-2023, 11:51 AM

sounds like an E-Ray

SnakeEyeSS · 08-13-2023, 12:38 PM

Electric will be fine at the end of the decade, Toyota is pushing through with the new battery tech that has 600+ range and charges MANY times faster, and the Toyoda family leader has been taking them back to making fun and sports cars again. I think they will be the Model T (assembly line) of electric cars, the ones to cross the threshold of it being normal.

MT-SS1LE · 08-13-2023, 02:29 PM

I keep hoping Americans will wake up soon and realize that the climate change cult is all about control. Controlling what kind of car you can drive, what kind of appliances you can own, where you can live, what you can say, etc. Interesting how the biggest proponents of this climate religion are the biggest hypocrites and do the exact opposite of what they preach. After 2024, unless we chose right, there really will be no turning back from this lunacy.

Bumbleboy92 · 08-13-2023, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike818

sounds like an E-Ray

That’s the new ‘segment’ of performance.

Honda made its mark with the NSX (twin-turbo v6 and three electric motors)

E-Ray has the v8 and single front electric motor

Lambo Reveulto has its v12 and three total electric motors (two in the front, one rear same layout as NSX I believe)

I’m sure there’s more but the similarity it seems is better handling vs non-hybrid powertrain and seemingly significantly faster then the non-hybrid variants as the estimated 0-60 for the E-Ray is as fast and technically faster then the Z06 by 0.1 seconds (plus a hefty price

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Mike818 · 08-13-2023, 05:38 PM

The new Mazda Miata is also rumored to be a hybrid. As soon as the battery density is there, they will all go plug-in and then regulations problem solved.

triggerjerk · 08-13-2023, 11:15 PM

The regulators won't go away. This has been discussed here before.
They will crack down on high hp evs. You know, draining the battery too fast and all . . .

Then there are the insurance companies. They will cancel ice coverage in the name of esg. In fact, that just happened to me after owning a zl1 for 3 weeks and already being covered under a plan. High performance ice vehicles are now verboten. Expect it to spread.

olrocker · 08-14-2023, 04:36 AM

Cars are supposed to burn gas and make noise. You’re also supposed to be able to shift gears of a transmission if you so chose.

All if that goes away with EVs and they become appliances. The soul, spirit, and fun of a car is gone. Spin it any way the EV folks want, there’s zero about an EV that’s fun. It’s fast. Oh wow. Hey they were doing 200 mph in NASCAR in 1970.

EVs are appliances. I ain’t dead yet. I don’t want to drive an appliance.

ItsChristianInHD · 08-14-2023, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike818

sounds like an E-Ray

A ERay based Camaro SS would be amazing if they can get the price down. I’d get down with that in a heart beat.

Supr4n3 · 08-14-2023, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ItsChristianInHD

A ERay based Camaro SS would be amazing if they can get the price down. I’d get down with that in a heart beat.

Yeah, I think the e-ray is 40k more than the stingray. Hard pill to swallow.

Mike818 · 08-14-2023, 01:29 PM

sure, but how much cheaper is an E-ray than a Porsche 918.

My PHEV X5 is already superior to the straight ICE equivalent. With the exception of a slight sacrifice to payload and towing (batteries are still heavy). The benefits easily justify that though, and with .gov incentives it was cheaper than the straight ICE version as well. Benefits like carpool lane access.

Why is that? Well .gov wrote the regulations so that if a vehicle is capable of X amount of EV only miles it counts as an EV. This is how ICE will continue into the future (IMO), as a plug-in hybrid. ICE when you need it, ICE + Electric when you want it (all the torque), EV when it makes sense.

08-12-2023, 03:12 PM	#1
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08-13-2023, 12:38 PM	#6
SnakeEyeSS Drives: Camaro 2SS & ZL1 Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 857	Electric will be fine at the end of the decade, Toyota is pushing through with the new battery tech that has 600+ range and charges MANY times faster, and the Toyoda family leader has been taking them back to making fun and sports cars again. I think they will be the Model T (assembly line) of electric cars, the ones to cross the threshold of it being normal. __________________ 2017 Camaro 2SS A8 Bright Yellow NPP MRC 2023 Camaro ZL1 A10 Radiant Red

08-13-2023, 02:29 PM	#7
MT-SS1LE Drives: 2023 SS 1LE Sharkskin Join Date: Jun 2023 Location: MAGA MT Posts: 282	I keep hoping Americans will wake up soon and realize that the climate change cult is all about control. Controlling what kind of car you can drive, what kind of appliances you can own, where you can live, what you can say, etc. Interesting how the biggest proponents of this climate religion are the biggest hypocrites and do the exact opposite of what they preach. After 2024, unless we chose right, there really will be no turning back from this lunacy. Last edited by MT-SS1LE; 08-13-2023 at 03:00 PM.

08-14-2023, 04:36 AM	#11
olrocker Drives: People crazy with my sexiness Join Date: Jun 2023 Location: Northeast Ohio Posts: 521	Cars are supposed to burn gas and make noise. You’re also supposed to be able to shift gears of a transmission if you so chose. All if that goes away with EVs and they become appliances. The soul, spirit, and fun of a car is gone. Spin it any way the EV folks want, there’s zero about an EV that’s fun. It’s fast. Oh wow. Hey they were doing 200 mph in NASCAR in 1970. EVs are appliances. I ain’t dead yet. I don’t want to drive an appliance. __________________ Purchase order submitted on 6/23/23 Received and purchased 9/8/2023 2024 2SS 6MT coupe Sharkskin/Light gray Moonroof/Navi/NPP/Mag Ride/Red Brake Calipers Gray painted split spoke wheels Illuminated footwells/illuminated bowtie

08-12-2023, 04:15 PM	#2
NOTSINCE57 Drives: '23 1SS 1LE-Sharkskin M6 Join Date: Apr 2022 Location: TN-615 Posts: 93	Premium V8 pony cars die you run a model for 9 years without significant changes, don't advertise it and take a knee to the EV pushers. Good for Ford (even though I'd never drive one)

08-13-2023, 09:23 AM	#3
Palutz Banned Drives: 22 ZLE M6 Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Corpus Christi Posts: 601	These companies are pushing EVs and customers are rejecting their push. Ford itself lost billions on their EVs yet the big 3 are going forward with their washing machines. Good luck to them! https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/07/28/...ns-on-evs.html

08-13-2023, 11:51 AM	#5
Mike818 Drives: 5.0 Fox, Lancer Evos (8,X),23 ZLE? Join Date: May 2023 Location: West Coast Posts: 159	sounds like an E-Ray

08-13-2023, 05:38 PM	#9
Mike818 Drives: 5.0 Fox, Lancer Evos (8,X),23 ZLE? Join Date: May 2023 Location: West Coast Posts: 159	The new Mazda Miata is also rumored to be a hybrid. As soon as the battery density is there, they will all go plug-in and then regulations problem solved.

08-13-2023, 11:15 PM	#10
triggerjerk Drives: 2023 Camaro ZL1 Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: USA Posts: 404	The regulators won't go away. This has been discussed here before. They will crack down on high hp evs. You know, draining the battery too fast and all . . . Then there are the insurance companies. They will cancel ice coverage in the name of esg. In fact, that just happened to me after owning a zl1 for 3 weeks and already being covered under a plan. High performance ice vehicles are now verboten. Expect it to spread.

08-14-2023, 01:29 PM	#14
Mike818 Drives: 5.0 Fox, Lancer Evos (8,X),23 ZLE? Join Date: May 2023 Location: West Coast Posts: 159	sure, but how much cheaper is an E-ray than a Porsche 918. My PHEV X5 is already superior to the straight ICE equivalent. With the exception of a slight sacrifice to payload and towing (batteries are still heavy). The benefits easily justify that though, and with .gov incentives it was cheaper than the straight ICE version as well. Benefits like carpool lane access. Why is that? Well .gov wrote the regulations so that if a vehicle is capable of X amount of EV only miles it counts as an EV. This is how ICE will continue into the future (IMO), as a plug-in hybrid. ICE when you need it, ICE + Electric when you want it (all the torque), EV when it makes sense.

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