[NicD]

Originally Posted by ZED SLED

Can you enlighten us as to a tuner who can do this, because all we've heard so far is crickets?

HP Tuners has the required tables.

Originally Posted by Boost or bust

Everybody tuner i have spoken with remains unable to remove TM. I have even challenged vendor sponsors of this forum...no-go. Don thank get me wrong, I love the car, and am glad I did not buy it with drag racing in mind. But many did, and they are now unable to explore the full potential of the car.

The same tables responsible for TM in the Corvettes are the same tables responsible for it on these cars.

[KyWildcats]

My bog was fixed

[ninetres]

+1 for seeing the biggest names in tuning struggle with TM in their own shop cars.

NicD can you post a link or video to a M6 leavinghard AF or hanging tire? Never seen it.

[NicD]

Originally Posted by ninetres

+1 for seeing the biggest names in tuning struggle with TM in their own shop cars.

NicD can you post a link or video to a M6 leavinghard AF or hanging tire? Never seen it.

Can't say I've ever seen anybody ringing out a manual ZL1 around here. Most people I know who are seriously drag racing their cars have the A10.

[ninetres]

Originally Posted by NicD

Can't say I've ever seen anybody ringing out a manual ZL1 around here. Most people I know who are seriously drag racing their cars have the A10.

.....so you’ve never seen an m6 zl1 doing what everyone would like them to do.....

Carry on.

[Can'tHave2MuchHP]

NicD, I think I recall you saying that the Torque Management in the ZL1 is the same as in the Z06. M7 Z06s with a driver mod can leave hard out of the hole even when they're bone stock. No one seems to be able to do this in a tuned or stock M6 ZL1.

[6spdhyperblue]

Does anyone have a video of a m7 c7z pulling the front wheels?

[NicD]

Originally Posted by ninetres

.....so you’ve never seen an m6 zl1 doing what everyone would like them to do.....

Carry on.

You are trying to imply that I've not seen it because torque management won't allow it when all I said is that nobody around me is seriously drag racing their manual trans ZL1s. It's very easy to see what the throttle/timing is doing and what the throttle control source is when data logging a harder launch. It's also very easy to see when the torque management is gone with the throttle staying open and no timing retard regardless if it's pulling the wheels or not.

[NicD]

Originally Posted by Can'tHave2MuchHP

NicD, I think I recall you saying that the Torque Management in the ZL1 is the same as in the Z06. M7 Z06s with a driver mod can leave hard out of the hole even when they're bone stock. No one seems to be able to do this in a tuned or stock M6 ZL1.

It is the same and there is a huge difference between being bone stock and having torque management disabled on a manual C7Z as well.

[Gen6 softtop]

Pretty sure torque management is one of the many factors Jannetty Racing can tune

[ninetres]

Originally Posted by NicD

You are trying to imply that I've not seen it because torque management won't allow it when all I said is that nobody around me is seriously drag racing their manual trans ZL1s. It's very easy to see what the throttle/timing is doing and what the throttle control source is when data logging a harder launch. It's also very easy to see when the torque management is gone with the throttle staying open and no timing retard regardless if it's pulling the wheels or not.

There’s a reason you haven’t seen an M6 ZL1 doing.....it can’t be done, apparently due to software limitations. We’ve all seen endless videos of M6 Zs (stock, tuned etc) falling on their face from a dig, and you act like it’s a simple tune away from being disabled. It’s not.

I’ve even seen the best in the tuning business, who’s 6gen auto Cars that run bottom 9s, complain about still battling random TQ management intervention on one pass, and not on others.

It’s not as “simple” as you describe it to be. That’s all I’m saying. If it is....post a link or video to a single M6 ZL1 leaving hard. Otherwise you are speculating that’s its doable.

[Can'tHave2MuchHP]

Originally Posted by NicD

It is the same and there is a huge difference between being bone stock and having torque management disabled on a manual C7Z as well.

So it can be wholly disabled or no? Can't seem to get a solid answer from any/most tuners here, everyone says something different. Can an M6 ZL1 owner go to a qualified person with HP tuners and actually SHUT OFF all TQ Management? I have an A8 Z06 and I've driven several M7 Z06s and they all had no problem tearing out of the hole (Not necessarily lifting tires but definitely would do better than 1.7 60ft which is where the ZL1 hits a wall).

[NicD]

Originally Posted by ninetres

There’s a reason you haven’t seen an M6 ZL1 doing.....it can’t be done, apparently due to software limitations. We’ve all seen endless videos of M6 Zs (stock, tuned etc) falling on their face from a dig, and you act like it’s a simple tune away from being disabled. It’s not.

I’ve even seen the best in the tuning business, who’s 6gen auto Cars that run bottom 9s, complain about still battling random TQ management intervention on one pass, and not on others.

It’s not as “simple” as you describe it to be. That’s all I’m saying. If it is....post a link or video to a single M6 ZL1 leaving hard. Otherwise you are speculating that’s its doable.

You are arguing about something that you literally have zero understanding about, I don't get why people do this. I never made it sound simple, there are many tables that play a role in this and it's a system that all works together. There is no such thing as random torque management coming and going, you can log all torque sources and identify where it's coming from and you can also log commanded, predicted, and actual to find the discrepancy and make your corrections to the torque model and driver demand tables. Obviously with an auto there are different solutions required to not affect the torque load the TCM sees for proper pressures but the manual doesn't have that and it's a bit different. Also there is a large difference between a torque management event that happens on an auto shifting going down the track vs a hard launch at the beginning with a manual so that is not the same type of torque management event. These computers are anything but simple but it's very easy to see what is happening on a scan tool with the appropriate pids.

As for speculating you sure do an awful lot of it for not understanding what is actually happening and why. I've seen what happens on a hard launch with a manual ZL1 and how the throttle closes up and how it retards the timing causing a "bog". This is all addressable in the tune with what we have available today.

[NicD]

Originally Posted by Can'tHave2MuchHP

So it can be wholly disabled or no? Can't seem to get a solid answer from any/most tuners here, everyone says something different. Can an M6 ZL1 owner go to a qualified person with HP tuners and actually SHUT OFF all TQ Management? I have an A8 Z06 and I've driven several M7 Z06s and they all had no problem tearing out of the hole (Not necessarily lifting tires but definitely would do better than 1.7 60ft which is where the ZL1 hits a wall).

I don't see why not but it's not a simple on/off switch. Lots of tables factor into why the throttle would close up, etc.