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Well then it’s likely gone forever. The shared Alpha architecture is gone with certainty (or a big GM reversal) in 4 or 5 years. The Camaro cannot stand on an orphan architecture. Change or die is the likely scenario.
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If they can have a certain 0-60, give it to all of them...a max range, they should all get it...etc. Show the true nature of EVs...that is they are all the same. The very nature of EVs suggest one size fits all...anything less would be an insult to the customers intelligence... Look at the gm video of the Ultium platform with an outline of every type of car, truck, suv, all superimposed over the same skateboard design. Wowee...what a difference. |
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Just my 2 cents'.
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Ford made the right call to name their EV a mustang, it got people talking (including the people who hate it), which was necessary to stand up to the market bully (Tesla). And I'm pretty sure they don't care if the die-hard mustang fan will buy it, the die-hard fan will buy one of the other ten mustangs on offer.
The people who will buy the Mach E, are people who want a Tesla but want something that feels like a car, not an I-pod. Having a dealership where it can be serviced is a nice bonus too. GM will make a EUV Camaro, GM has been copying Ford's homework from the beginning, GM just does it better IMO.
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i wouldnt mind an EV camaro.we need one car that is not an SUV.
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Yeah, that kind of depressed me too. Although, battery thermal management, suspension and brakes are probably the future differentiators of a BEV performance car, those aren't trivial things. |
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On the flip side, those that do care should absolutely have the option of buying, maintaining, servicing, tuning their own cars, be them ICE or EV. The market should be allowed to cater to all these demands. It's this recent borg style, 'resistance is futile, you'll be assimilated' approach through force (taxes, "emission controls", legislation) is what I and Petrol Head and so many others oppose by principle, and this is what most EV proponents, the joyful welcomers of any new robotic overlords (even in this very thread) fail to respect and/or understand.
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This isn't a millennial issue seeing as how less than 13% are under the age of 30. 45% are over the age of 50 and guess what they're on board with the electric movement(both Marry Barra and Kim Brycz are in their upper 50s and are in two of the positions of power.) . All this boils down to is money and these big corporations don't get to be as big as they are by staying the same.
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The blueprint for handling performance variants is already in place. Both Tesla and GM vary performance by size and quantities of electric motors and size of battery packs. The Hummer EV will use (3) large eMotors and a battery pack that might be as much as 200 kWh to deliver a 1,000 hp truck. Most Hummers are likely to be (2) eMotors and 150 kWh. And the (2) eMotors may not even be the same output.
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Why do you think they will all look the same? Drive the same, Ride the same? They won't and can't. If that were the case and there was 0 differentiation between brands what would make you buy one vs the other? Keep in mind if you aren't talking V8 power the engine is not a differentiator in most segments. It's a thing that moves the vehicle at an acceptable speed and acceleration and provides acceptable fuel economy. But there are many other attributes that separate a Honda from a Chevy to a Kia. I'm not buying or selling on this. I'll miss ICE when they are gone or less of a choice. But what is very true is the Camaro is on life support. NO ONE IS BUYING. So rather than die, I'd love to see GM do something outstanding with great coupe (been saying that for 6 years) and make it the performance EV of choice. I don't believe it needs an ICE to move forward.
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My hope for a new ICE Camaro was VSS-R, but that seems dead too? I haven't seen anything in the news about it for a long time |
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