[SSDan]

So, if I have read all the upgrade specs correctly - the 1LE package for the V6 adds all the stuff a 1SS 6MT comes with as standard equipment. So, did I buy the equivalent of the V6 1LE but with an engine upgrade to the LT1? If so the folks out there waiting for the V6 1LE might just consider buying a 1SS 6MT instead. With the pricing deals out there right now you might get the car for equal or less plus get the awesome LT1 engine. Thoughts?

[vtirocz]

I agree.

[HumanWiki]

Which V6 1LE? The 1LT or the 2LT?

Also, HUD is standard on 1LE. Same with the NPP. 1LE wheels are forged Aluminum. Standard SS I don't believe are.

EDIT: Recaros optional on 1LT 1LE, standard on 2LT 1LE, they're only available on the 1SS if you get the 1LE package.

There's also cost of the insurance and the gas mileage differences.

You can trick out the interior better on the 2LT 1LE than on a 1SS simply due to trim restrictions. For example, 2LT 1LE can have recaros, plus the heated and ventilated seats and NAV. 1SS non-1LE won't have any of that.

[6spdhyperblue]

the only way to get HUD on a SS is with 1LE or 2SS. not a stand-alone

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by HumanWiki

Which V6 1LE? The 1LT or the 2LT?

Also, HUD is standard on 1LE.

Recaros optional on 1LT 1LE, standard on 2LT 1LE, they're only an option on the 1SS 1LE.

HUD is only standard on the SS 1LE as far as I'm aware, not on the V6's?

Recaros are standard on the SS 1LE as well...not an option.

[SSDan]

Originally Posted by HumanWiki

Which V6 1LE? The 1LT or the 2LT?

Also, HUD is standard on 1LE. Same with the NPP. 1LE wheels are forged Aluminum. Standard SS I don't believe are.

Recaros optional on 1LT 1LE, standard on 2LT 1LE, they're only an option on the 1SS 1LE.

There's also cost of the insurance and the gas mileage differences.

You can trick out the interior better on the 2LT 1LE than on a 1SS simply due to trim restrictions. For example, 2LT 1LE can have recaros, plus the heated and ventilated seats and NAV. 1SS non-1LE won't have any of that.

Point well taken. I should have been more specific - I was just speaking about the performance & handling stuff - not all the interior and/or trim bits.
But the performance stuff is what interests me - so that's why I bought a 1SS 6MT with NPP and that is what I focused on when I was looking at the V6 !LE specs.

[Thor142]

I think at it's entry price point the V6 1LE is a good bargain but as you load it up you might as well get the 1ss. It's no doubt faster on the track.

[HumanWiki]

Originally Posted by SS 1LE

HUD is only standard on the SS 1LE as far as I'm aware, not on the V6's?

Is it not on V6 1LE as well? For 2LT you have to add ZN2 to get it, but it's at least there w/o 1LE. I don't see that A1X excludes the ZN2.. So, not standard HUD on 2LT 1LE, but it's still an option for that model that 1SS won't get access to w/o the 1LE

Originally Posted by SS 1LE

Recaros are standard on the SS 1LE as well...not an option.

Clumsily worded, I was trying to say they're only an option if you get the 1SS 1LE and then they come with the package. Then edited some stuff and up and confused myself.

[Richard0nee]

If the SS 1LE ran the lap at 2.54, I would bet money that the 1SS would run 2:55-2:57 on the same track.

171 Torque/120 HP advantage over the V6 1LE is huge.. Also, the 1SS is usually around ~3670 lbs so lighter than the SS 1LE/2SS and will probably be around 120-160 lbs heavier than the V6 1LE.

Nevertheless, 3:04 time for the V6 1LE is a great time! I can understand people choosing that over a 1SS for insurance, gas savings, etc.

[vtirocz]

Originally Posted by Richard0nee

If the SS 1LE ran the lap at 2.54, I would bet money that the 1SS would run 2:55-2:57 on the same track.

171 Torque/120 HP advantage over the V6 1LE is huge.. Also, the 1SS is usually around ~3670 lbs so lighter than the SS 1LE/2SS and will probably be around 120-160 lbs heavier than the V6 1LE.

Nevertheless, 3:04 time for the V6 1LE is a great time! I can understand people choosing that over a 1SS for insurance, gas savings, etc.

I think a 1SS would run around 2:59 - 3:00 at VIR, which is right around where the ATS-V ran.

[Richard0nee]

Originally Posted by vtirocz

I think a 1SS would run around 2:59 - 3:00 at VIR, which is right around where the ATS-V ran.

Hmm.. well the M6 base ATS-V is heavier, around ~3800 lbs compared to 3685 for the 1SS M6.. Power is pretty similar and both use staggered tires (18's for the Caddy).

100-150 lbs makes a difference especially when pushing the cars to the limit..

http://www.caranddriver.com/cadillac/ats-v

[Thor142]

Originally Posted by Richard0nee

If the SS 1LE ran the lap at 2.54, I would bet money that the 1SS would run 2:55-2:57 on the same track.

171 Torque/120 HP advantage over the V6 1LE is huge.. Also, the 1SS is usually around ~3670 lbs so lighter than the SS 1LE/2SS and will probably be around 120-160 lbs heavier than the V6 1LE.

Nevertheless, 3:04 time for the V6 1LE is a great time! I can understand people choosing that over a 1SS for insurance, gas savings, etc.

If the 1ss was only a second behind the 1LE at VIR that would be the most worthless $6500 track pack ever sold. The common "knowledge" is that a 6th gen ss with MRC is about equal to a 5th gen 1LE. So I would look to that time as a rough guide.

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by Richard0nee

If the SS 1LE ran the lap at 2.54, I would bet money that the 1SS would run 2:55-2:57 on the same track.

On VIR, no way would it be a second behind...I would say 3-4 seconds at least...The V6 1LE with the SS suspension, and better wheels was like 10 seconds behind. That power bump and nothing else, is not going to drop 9 seconds at VIR, not even close...I would say more like 3:00 would be the lap.

[Richard0nee]

That's true, I guess would say 2:57-3:00 for the 1SS

But for the V6 1LE to get 3:04 that's still impressive. Most would say getting a 1SS over a V6 1LE is a no brainer... but I would say that the V6 1LE is still cheaper, cheaper gas, insurance cost so can't go wrong with either platforms.