2017 Camaro SS 1LE w/ Procharger D1SC

TJay74 · 03-19-2019, 08:01 AM

I had this car set up last year, for the most part it seems to drive fine. Putting down 650rwhp on a consevative tune with a Alky controls meth injection system.

It had some surging and bucking issues. I took it back down to the shop that did the install and had them swap out the 1.5" PC BOV for a 2" Tial BOV. They went thru the tune and made some changes to the VVT tables that resolved the bucking/surging.

Got the car home and a nagging issue still persists. From a dead stop if I let the clutch out and accelerate at a moderate pace some form of torque management is stepping until around 3500-4000 rpm's. When it stops it is like the car comes on like a raped ape. I have checked anything and everything mechanical and it's nothing mechanical.

A member on the HPT forums overseas said the car has to use a LT4 map, which I asked about to Procharger and the shop and was told I didn't need one. The member pointed out the torque models were off, which they are since they are the stock SS 1LE tables.

Anyone in here that went Procharged, did you change out the LT1 map for the LT4 map?

Pray or Jannnety, can either one of you chime in on this? I am more than willing to pay for the help. I have tried getting the shop involved, it's a 4hr drive to them so that isn't the easiest way right now.

JANNETTYRACING · 03-19-2019, 09:04 AM

I will certainly be glad to help give me a call 203-753-7223 or email tedj@jannettyracing.com

Ted.

USAFS197 · 03-19-2019, 09:14 AM

You know what’s funny, is that my car isn’t boosted but it does the same thing. Even with all of the torque management essentially turned off. It’s incredibly frustrating. It’s like the car is dragging an anchor and then suddenly at 3-3200 rpm, it pulls stupid hard.

KingLT1 · 03-19-2019, 09:34 AM

Sounds tuning related.

TJay74 · 03-20-2019, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by KingLT1

Sounds tuning related.

I am sure a portion of it is as well, but the shop that did the install and tune has become non-responsive now. I guess my $15k build they did isnt as important as their $40k customers builds.

holdinslab · 01-04-2020, 04:13 PM

I’m having this same issue with a procharged 16m6. What is the fix?

oldman · 01-04-2020, 05:37 PM

Other people may have other experience, I have always had drivability issues with no cats, both with the stock header and LT. In all cases cats fixed my problem. Even when this car was NEW, early 2016, going to CA cat deletes would cause strange harmonics and on a few cars would pull timing due to false knock (assumed). Anyway with no cats low speed driving and part throttle tip-in was soggy as well as strange drone / sound harmonics. That would be 3 professional well known tuners and myself and when new, GM (only thing I turned off was the rear 02 monitoring). In my opinion, it is a harmonics issue with the M6 and no cats.

I will by spring do mandrel bent 2.5 from factory header to 2.5 metal cats directly horizontal, to Borla 60608 twin resonators at 2 and 3/4, to see if I can finally find a reasonable flowing solution with 100 percent stock drivability on a M6.

In all cases, car works 100 percent fine with primary cats.

TJay74 · 01-06-2020, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by holdinslab

I’m having this same issue with a procharged 16m6. What is the fix?

A crappy tune from the shop who handled my Procharger install. They are drag racers and the tune was built more for drag racing than driveability.

Ted found it in the 1st revision of his tune, it was torque management kicking in that wasnt addressed in the tune from the shop that handled the install.

Car drives great now.

z28pat · 01-06-2020, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TJay74

A crappy tune from the shop who handled my Procharger install. They are drag racers and the tune was built more for drag racing than driveability.

Ted found it in the 1st revision of his tune, it was torque management kicking in that wasnt addressed in the tune from the shop that handled the install.

Car drives great now.

Do you have any videos by any chance, the pro charger is exactly what I’d like to do to my 1le so I’m learning what’s needed from posts like yours
Thank you t

laynlo15 · 01-06-2020, 06:38 PM

Good to hear

JANNETTYRACING · 01-07-2020, 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by z28pat

Do you have any videos by any chance, the pro charger is exactly what I’d like to do to my 1le so I’m learning what’s needed from posts like yours
Thank you t

Good Morning Z28pat, Please feel free to call me I can answer all of your questions, write you an estimate and recommend the best combination for your car and your goals 203-753-7223

MP3BOOSTED · 01-07-2020, 07:43 AM

sounds 100% like a tuning issue, its hard now a days to find reputable tuners for these 6th gens. Jannetty is ready to help so i'd give them a call for some great customer service!!!

oldman · 01-07-2020, 01:30 PM

You build is similar to mine, so you can put your car into 5th at 42 MPH and there it works just fine, sounds fine etc?

MP3BOOSTED · 01-07-2020, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by oldman

You build is similar to mine, so you can put your car into 5th at 42 MPH and there it works just fine, sounds fine etc?

off topic a little but how did you get your intercooler piping to fit over your 103mm TB?

the one provided for my F1A setup isn't large enough to go over the KATECH. If possible can you send / attach a pic, i might need to alter mine a bit to make it work.

03-19-2019, 08:01 AM	#1
TJay74 Drives: 17 Camaro SS 1LE & 16 Sierra AT CC Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Norman, OK Posts: 2,424	2017 Camaro SS 1LE w/ Procharger D1SC I had this car set up last year, for the most part it seems to drive fine. Putting down 650rwhp on a consevative tune with a Alky controls meth injection system. It had some surging and bucking issues. I took it back down to the shop that did the install and had them swap out the 1.5" PC BOV for a 2" Tial BOV. They went thru the tune and made some changes to the VVT tables that resolved the bucking/surging. Got the car home and a nagging issue still persists. From a dead stop if I let the clutch out and accelerate at a moderate pace some form of torque management is stepping until around 3500-4000 rpm's. When it stops it is like the car comes on like a raped ape. I have checked anything and everything mechanical and it's nothing mechanical. A member on the HPT forums overseas said the car has to use a LT4 map, which I asked about to Procharger and the shop and was told I didn't need one. The member pointed out the torque models were off, which they are since they are the stock SS 1LE tables. Anyone in here that went Procharged, did you change out the LT1 map for the LT4 map? Pray or Jannnety, can either one of you chime in on this? I am more than willing to pay for the help. I have tried getting the shop involved, it's a 4hr drive to them so that isn't the easiest way right now. __________________ 2019 Corvette Z06 2LZ A8 - Halltech CAI, AWE non-catted X-pipe, Mamo V2 ported TB 592rwhp, bone stock 566rwhp 2017 Camaro SS 1LE - Procharger D1SC w/ Tial 2" BOV & Race intercooler / ARH full length catless headers / Alky meth injection system - 650rwhp on conservative tune SOLD

03-19-2019, 09:04 AM	#2
JANNETTYRACING Drives: BLUE CAMARO ZL1 1LE M6 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: ON THE DYNO WATERBURY CT. Posts: 15,223	I will certainly be glad to help give me a call 203-753-7223 or email tedj@jannettyracing.com Ted. __________________ www.jannettyracing.com Celebrating 37 years Performance parts, Installation, Fabrication, Dyno tuning, Remote custom tuning, and alignments. 203-753-7223 Waterbury CT. 06705 email tedj@jannettyracing.com

03-19-2019, 09:14 AM	#3
USAFS197 Drives: 2018 Audi TT RS Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Navarre, Florida Posts: 1,915	You know what’s funny, is that my car isn’t boosted but it does the same thing. Even with all of the torque management essentially turned off. It’s incredibly frustrating. It’s like the car is dragging an anchor and then suddenly at 3-3200 rpm, it pulls stupid hard. __________________ 2018 Audi TT ▊RS 2.4X 0-60, 1.6X 60', 120+mph 1/8th, 4.XX 60-130, 150+mph traps on 255/35/18 R888R tires on the street (unprepped). 2019 Audi RS3 About as fast as the TT RS 2019 Camaro ZL1 1LE Sold 2018 Camaro SS 1LE Sold 2019 Corvette Z06 Sold 2021 Charger Hellcat Redeye Widebody Sold

03-19-2019, 09:34 AM	#4
KingLT1 Drives: 2016 1SS NFG A8 Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: 46804 Posts: 6,793	Sounds tuning related. __________________ 2016 NFG 1SS A8 Options-2SS Leather/NPP Perf. mods-Whipple 2.9/Fuel System/Flex Fuel/103mm TB/Rotofab Big Gulp/Cat Deletes/Corsa NPP Per. times- 10.5 @ 137 w/ 1.8 60ft Full weight on 20's 1200DA

01-04-2020, 05:37 PM	#7
oldman Drives: SS 6 speed of course Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Hilo, HI Posts: 4,316	Other people may have other experience, I have always had drivability issues with no cats, both with the stock header and LT. In all cases cats fixed my problem. Even when this car was NEW, early 2016, going to CA cat deletes would cause strange harmonics and on a few cars would pull timing due to false knock (assumed). Anyway with no cats low speed driving and part throttle tip-in was soggy as well as strange drone / sound harmonics. That would be 3 professional well known tuners and myself and when new, GM (only thing I turned off was the rear 02 monitoring). In my opinion, it is a harmonics issue with the M6 and no cats. I will by spring do mandrel bent 2.5 from factory header to 2.5 metal cats directly horizontal, to Borla 60608 twin resonators at 2 and 3/4, to see if I can finally find a reasonable flowing solution with 100 percent stock drivability on a M6. In all cases, car works 100 percent fine with primary cats. __________________ Forged short block, large duration sub .600 lift Cam Motion cam, 7200 RPM fuel cut, Pray Ported Heads, 3.85 pulley D1X, stage II intercooler, DSX secondary low side, DSX E85 sensor, Lingenfelter big bore 2.0 pump, ported front cats, 60608 Borla, LT4 injectors, ZL1 1LE driveshaft and Katech ported TB, ported MSD intake, BTR valvetrain, ARP studs, ProFlow valves, PS4 tires.

01-04-2020, 04:13 PM	#6
holdinslab Drives: SSCamaro 2016 m6 Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: Kissimmee Fl Posts: 4 View My Garage	I’m having this same issue with a procharged 16m6. What is the fix?

01-06-2020, 06:38 PM	#10
laynlo15 Drives: 2022 Lt1 A10 Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: clark, mo Posts: 8,860	Good to hear __________________ 2022 Lt1 6.2 A10, Maggie 2300, THPSI Port Inj/10 rib, Rotofab, E, Nickey, SCOL, Griptech, RC Bandits, Hoosiers/MT 9.80@142.96 1.44 60ft, 6.34@112 707/669 RWHP/TRQ. 16SS Maggie 2650 9.41@147 1.35 60ft, 5.99@119. 16 C7 A8 10.90@128 Bolt on stuff

01-07-2020, 07:43 AM	#12
MP3BOOSTED Drives: 2017 Camaro SS 1LE (F1A-94 FBO H/C) Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: San Antonio Texas Posts: 843	sounds 100% like a tuning issue, its hard now a days to find reputable tuners for these 6th gens. Jannetty is ready to help so i'd give them a call for some great customer service!!! __________________ Performance Mods: F1A-94, DSX Flex Fuel Kit, MSD Spark Plug Wires, KOOK 2" off road headers, MBRP Race catback exhaust, Pray Performance Custom Boost Cam, Rocker Arm Trunion Upgrade Kit, 7.850" Hardened Chromemoly Length Pushrods and Johnson Racing 2110R Lifters, TSP CNC'd Heads, Ported MSD intake manifold, 103mm Katech Throttle body, Forged Pistons/Rods, RPM Meth kit, DSX Aux Fuel system, AEM Failsafe and banks gauge, LT4 HPFP, LT4 injectors, BMR motor mounts, Hurst Short Throw, Manley SS exhaust valves Videos of my car? Check here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNi...Qy1OL4NVGlPogw

01-07-2020, 01:30 PM	#13
oldman Drives: SS 6 speed of course Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Hilo, HI Posts: 4,316	You build is similar to mine, so you can put your car into 5th at 42 MPH and there it works just fine, sounds fine etc? __________________ Forged short block, large duration sub .600 lift Cam Motion cam, 7200 RPM fuel cut, Pray Ported Heads, 3.85 pulley D1X, stage II intercooler, DSX secondary low side, DSX E85 sensor, Lingenfelter big bore 2.0 pump, ported front cats, 60608 Borla, LT4 injectors, ZL1 1LE driveshaft and Katech ported TB, ported MSD intake, BTR valvetrain, ARP studs, ProFlow valves, PS4 tires.

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