[atlcamaro1]

Originally Posted by mt3130

I personally think that attaching too much to the Camaro's past pigeon holes you as far as where you can take it in the future. Look at how much the Camaro changed from the the first through the fourth generations.

Major change IS the Camaro's heritage, much in the way that not being able to tell the difference between any BMW or Porsche produced in the last 15 years is their heritage.

In my opinion, if Chevy takes that approach with its models, buyers will look elsewhere. Those brands sell for the cache and bragging rights that come along with them. By all accounts, the new BMW 3 series has completely lost its identity, yet sales have never been better. In order for Chevy to achieve and sustain success, it needs to come with fresh products and features that buyers want. For all you guys that love hard plastics and paying $40k for a stripped down model, that will still be an option, but it wouldn't be wise to assume that's what everyone wants.

Personally, I would like to see Chevy adopt Ford's model of refreshing the Mustang every 3 years. If you are going to have a 6 year generation cycle, why wait until the 5th model year to do the refresh? The original design gets stale, and by the time the refresh comes out, everyone is looking forward to the next generation. The 5th gen refresh had one good model year, followed by a year of getting its butt kicked by the Mustang and even the Challenger, even with GM offering 20% off MSRP.

People are choosing with their wallets to pay more money for less performance twice over when you look at the new Mustang sales compared to the new Camaro. I know that all of you will say that its because I'm comparing a new Mustang to an old Camaro, but the Camaro was refreshed just one year prior to the new Mustang, and outperforms the new Mustang, so the comparison isn't completely unreasonable.

If GM knew the Mustang was going to curb stomp the Camaro in sales this year, why the hell didn't they work to get the Camaro to market in early to mid 2015, rather than halfway through the 2016 model year? It seems to me that GM didn't anticipate the refreshed Camaro falling out of favor so fast.

$40,000 for a stripped down Camaro? You are correct, at those prices, people WILL start looking elsewhere.......

[mt3130]

Originally Posted by atlcamaro1

$40,000 for a stripped down Camaro? You are correct, at those prices, people WILL start looking elsewhere.......

That's essentially what a 1SS is now. Almost $40k for a car with a hard, flimsy plastic interior, cloth seats, and none of the amenities that every other car in the price range (and many cars below its price) offers.

I'm talking MSRP for the car. I know that you can get a 1SS for just over $30k now, because GM is giving them away to move units.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by mt3130

That's essentially what a 1SS is now. Almost $40k for a car with a hard, flimsy plastic interior, cloth seats, and none of the amenities that every other car in the price range (and many cars below its price) offers.

I'm talking MSRP for the car. I know that you can get a 1SS for just over $30k now, because GM is giving them away to move units.

Sorry but a 1SS MSRP starts at just over $33K and a 2SS starts at just over $37K either can be had for less than $40K

[GM-ACE]

Good points all. I think what most people want from this new gen stylewise is something that doesn't look like a '15 body refreshed. Most of these camo cars look that way. I think it's very safe to say that none of us are worried about the powertrain, it's what makes GM #1.
But I do believe the prices are getting too high for the second tier muscle car. Seriously, the price of the ZL1 and Z28 were in the range of a nicely equipped Corvette and the Corvette has better tech and handling.

[atlcamaro1]

Originally Posted by GM-ACE

Good points all. I think what most people want from this new gen stylewise is something that doesn't look like a '15 body refreshed. Most of these camo cars look that way. I think it's very safe to say that none of us are worried about the powertrain, it's what makes GM #1.
But I do believe the prices are getting too high for the second tier muscle car. Seriously, the price of the ZL1 and Z28 were in the range of a nicely equipped Corvette and the Corvette has better tech and handling.

Exactly. The Camaro made its name being a affordable two door sports car. The prices im seeing right now, the super sport included, are waay out of line of what Camaro is suppose to be.

[Angrybird 12]

Complaining about pricing of a car nobody knows much about. And some even misquoting prices of the cars for sale now... That is funny.

[Number 3]

I suspect that the spread will be more than the Gen 5. GM will have to hold the base price for no other reason than Ford did with the Mustang. But I believe that $37,000 2SS will likely hit $40 for the Gen 6.

Look at what happened with the Tahoe/Suburban. Lower tier pricing only went up slightly but LTZ variants are over $65,000 which used to be Escalade territory. But the Escalade went further up market as well.

So it will have to remain affordable, but my guess is the base car will hold price but with a 2.0T and if you want a V6 you'll pay a few thousand more.

But I also believe that overall this will be a significantly and noticeably superior car to the Gen 6.

A lot will depend on how the car is contented.

Also anyone think we'll see this new "Premium" trim level announced for the Malibu?

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Also anyone think we'll see this new "Premium" trim level announced for the Malibu?

Do you mean for the Camaro? I hope not, Camaro "Premium" does not sound right.

[mt3130]

Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

Sorry but a 1SS MSRP starts at just over $33K and a 2SS starts at just over $37K either can be had for less than $40K

I'm talking out the door price. By the time you add $1,000 for shipping, $1,000 for dealer fees and registration, $1,000 for an automatic transmission (because the fact is that's how most of these are sold), and $2,000 for sales tax, you are right around $40k.

$33,500 + 1,000 + 1,000 + 1,000 + 2,000 = $38,500 for a 1SS with NO options other than an auto transmission.

Making an argument based on MSRP alone is a poor way to gauge pricing of this car, because it doesn't come close to representing the actual cost to take one home.

[90503]

...Maybe for a Pepto-Bismol salesman or the interior of a Mary-Kay car....but for Camaro, I don't think so....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=weku7AGQhMI

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by mt3130

I'm talking out the door price. By the time you add $1,000 for shipping, $1,000 for dealer fees and registration, $1,000 for an automatic transmission (because the fact is that's how most of these are sold), and $2,000 for sales tax, you are right around $40k.

$33,500 + 1,000 + 1,000 + 1,000 + 2,000 = $38,500 for a 1SS with NO options other than an auto transmission.

Making an argument based on MSRP alone is a poor way to gauge pricing of this car, because it doesn't come close to representing the actual cost to take one home.

You said MSRP, all cars have the other stuff added too, it makes the $40K car now cost over $45K, so it's all relative if you start at MSRP or out the door price.. If you compare you do like for like, It does not matter.

Originally Posted by mt3130

That's essentially what a 1SS is now. Almost $40k for a car with a hard, flimsy plastic interior, cloth seats, and none of the amenities that every other car in the price range (and many cars below its price) offers.

I'm talking MSRP for the car. I know that you can get a 1SS for just over $30k now, because GM is giving them away to move units.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

Do you mean for the Camaro? I hope not, Camaro "Premium" does not sound right.

It seems strange to me to have a Spark, Sonic, Cruze, Malibu and Impala Premium replacing the LTZ, but not even have an LTZ for Camaro or Corvette. But hey, Chevrolet can be as inconsistent as they want as long as they show us pure awesomeness on May 16.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by Number 3

It seems strange to me to have a Spark, Sonic, Cruze, Malibu and Impala Premium replacing the LTZ, but not have an LTZ for Camaro or Corvette. But hey, Chevrolet can be as inconsistent as they want as long as they show us pure awesomeness on May 16.

The Camaro does not have an LTZ now does it? It's got the 2LT or 2SS is all...
Just saying Premimum on the Camaro does not sound right, and no I don't want Berlinetta back either LOL....

[Number 3]

Have to keep in mind that a fully loaded 2015 Malibu will run you $36,000 and that's if you don't check the all season floor matt and accessory packages.

Do the same for an Impala and you are at $41,000.

Annnnnnd neither of those have Brembo brakes, V8 engines or 8 speed transmissions.

Jump to my garage mate SS and you are now at $47,000.

Just keep those upper end prices in mind.