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Old 01-30-2015, 08:54 PM   #183
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Quick question, maybe I missed it. Will they be showing the 2016 Camaro at the Chicago Auto show in Feb? Did they show it in Detriot?
No it was not. The jury is still out as to when. Most likely New York.
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Old 01-30-2015, 08:55 PM   #184
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Quick question, maybe I missed it. Will they be showing the 2016 Camaro at the Chicago Auto show in Feb? Did they show it in Detriot?
We don't know for sure, but as it gets closer and we don't hear anything, it appears more and more likely that we won't see it at Chicago. They showed a black and white silhouette in the background image at Detroit, but it appears to be quite a bit different than the prototypes driving around, particularly in the roofline.

In short, we still don't know squat.
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Old 01-30-2015, 10:08 PM   #185
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Equinox MCE for Chicago. Chevrolet has a press conference scheduled but I'm not expecting anything big.

Chicago is typically the lamest show of the season.
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Old 01-30-2015, 10:52 PM   #186
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Equinox MCE for Chicago. Chevrolet has a press conference scheduled but I'm not expecting anything big.

Chicago is typically the lamest show of the season.
La oc ontario are pretty meh as well
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Old 01-30-2015, 10:54 PM   #187
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I am confused how 30,000 vehicles isnt a significant difference...
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Old 01-30-2015, 11:09 PM   #188
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Equinox MCE for Chicago. Chevrolet has a press conference scheduled but I'm not expecting anything big.

Chicago is typically the lamest show of the season.
So New York would be the next shot, right? The CT6 is there so would GM want the CT6 and Camaro at the same show?
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Old 01-30-2015, 11:14 PM   #189
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La oc ontario are pretty meh as well
None of those are major auto shows besides LA. And LA was all right this year.
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Old 01-30-2015, 11:16 PM   #190
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So New York would be the next shot, right? The CT6 is there so would GM want the CT6 and Camaro at the same show?
Eh. Two different cars aimed at vastly different demographics. Don't see why not.
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Old 01-30-2015, 11:59 PM   #191
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Thanks for doing this. I was going to do this myself when I got home from work.

The gap over 6 years is 28k units. If you take out 2011, you are talking about 11k difference over 5 years. Its not insignificant, but I stand by my statement that I wouldn't call that slaughtering the Mustang in sales.

The sales are within 5% of each other each year. The numbers only become significant when you factor in how much revenue is generated for each sale, but even that is fairly insignificant to the company's bottom line.

This is from someone that thinks the side profile of the new Mustang resembles a bike helmet (not a good thing in my eyes). A lot of the larger Audi cars appear that way to me as well (my boss drives an RS7).
That is correct, but you can't take 2011 out. The gap has been closer in the last couple of years. But also think this is with Mustang having 3 body styles and a refresh. Not to mention Ford can't say in any advertisement that they are number 1. But I think when the Gen 6 is released the sales will go through the roof!
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I am confused how 30,000 vehicles isnt a significant difference...
I thank you for taking my argument out of context to make it look ridiculous. If what you typed is all you gathered from what I said, then the matter clearly isn't worth discussing any further.

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That is correct, but you can't take 2011 out. The gap has been closer in the last couple of years. But also think this is with Mustang having 3 body styles and a refresh. Not to mention Ford can't say in any advertisement that they are number 1. But I think when the Gen 6 is released the sales will go through the roof!
I agree with everything you said, however, I wouldn't hold it against Ford that they refresh the Mustang every 3 years while Chevy waited until the Camaro's fourth model year to refresh the design; that's simply a difference in timing.

I guess my perspective is just different. I live and work in a world where a 5% variance when you expect comparative items to be similar doesn't even warrant discussion.

Let's get back to talking about the car
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Old 01-31-2015, 08:26 AM   #193
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I am confused how 30,000 vehicles isnt a significant difference...
Any sales lead over the Mustang is significant. It left Ford with no choice but to upgrade their V6 and V8 trims to 300 and 400hp respectively without jacking up the price as well. And they STILL couldn't outsell the Camaro.
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So New York would be the next shot, right? The CT6 is there so would GM want the CT6 and Camaro at the same show?

Ford showed the GT, GT350R, and the Raptor in Detroit. GM should be able to show both the CT6 and Camaro. But with no confirmation from GM about the Camaro who knows if it will be at New York.
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Old 01-31-2015, 06:26 PM   #195
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Ford showed the GT, GT350R, and the Raptor in Detroit. GM should be able to show both the CT6 and Camaro. But with no confirmation from GM about the Camaro who knows if it will be at New York.
That probably had a lot to do with the recent announcement of Ford Performance.
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