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This Number3 guy seems to forget some of the great Camaro/Chevy ads that stand the test of time which would sell that car TODAY. Heartbeat of America. The 10 year old kid rattling off the stats of the 1993 Camaro Z28. Hell even the original 1967 ad of the Camaro driving out of hot lava and volcanic ash. |
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12-15-2018, 01:04 PM | #58 |
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When GM went front wheel drive and V6 on all the E Bodies In 1988 that showed even the casual fans NASCAR cars didn’t share a single bolt or body panel with its production stock car counterpart.
I don’t think there’s a soul in the world who wouldn’t want to own Dale Sr’s black 1988 GM Goodwrench Lumina. But a stock production Lumina? Even with the trouble prone DOHC 3.4 V6? I think most of them are in the junk yards by now. |
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How about the stroke of genius having a Silverado pace the Daytona 500?!
Research data probably shows some inverted psychology of vehicle capabilities, style, and purpose... Hell, they want to brain-wash us into clamoring for electric vehicles....Might as well tell us a truck is as trackworthy as a Camaro or Corvette.... |
12-15-2018, 01:10 PM | #60 | |
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12-15-2018, 07:08 PM | #61 |
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Ummmmmm What?
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12-15-2018, 07:14 PM | #62 | |
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Used to be a reasonable place where people that brought experience from a career at GM received a modicum of respec. Maybe not agreement but not this crap. Even tried to tell you my wife did the job and was good friends with the same team on Camaro, but nope. Let’s just call names. Sorry have to tap out on this. You guys win. No one at GM knows as much as you. Your expertise apparently dwarfs their degrees, data and history.
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GM's single greatest problem is customer satisfaction. I'll say it again, the dash on my '66 Chevelle is in better condition than the dash on my 2011 Silverado which is cracked all to hell. What was GM's response when at 43k miles I brought it to their attention? "It is only cosmetic" and "you are out of warranty". Now multiply that by thousands of 2007 to 2013 Chevy Trucks and SUV's and the loss of future customers add's up. Fix "YOUR" screw up's GM and people will buy your vehicles. Pissing buyers off has never gone well for you. EVER!
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Or perhaps - if performance car advertising is officially considered to be poison as far as being seen as an EV/technology/mobility company is concerned - being directed to do (or not do) with it? Norm
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Hook. Line. Sinker. Norm
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12-16-2018, 08:07 AM | #66 | |
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Your wife’s experience as brand manager with Corvette? ...one of the cars you just told us needs no marketing? It also doesn’t help that you are not a Camaro fan. You’ve never owned one and your vision of the perfect coupe doesn’t fit what a Camaro is. That’s not saying that you don’t have valid points or that I wouldn’t buy the car you described. The slammed roof, high belt, shitty trunk lift over were needless misses but you described a two door Chevy SS. Big ass coupe with a V8 You don’t like the gen6. You act like it would have been a consideration had it not been so flawed even though we both know you’d never buy a Camaro. You come across like you hope it gets canceled so you can say you were right. “Marketing was fine...the product sucked.”
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actually the product is pretty damn good,but the A8 shift issues need a permanent fix.and go back to the 2018 front end...get the dodge ad people to do camaro and vette ads.
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I recall these magazine reviews,R &T and others, basically were described as the marketing/advertising plan...TV commercials weren't needed, supposedly, because of all the free press that enthusiasts would see. These weren't considered just op-eds, non-news, etc., that were discounted as irrelevant, but were the only publicity given the Camaro. It didn't seem like Camaro was ever promoted beyond the magazines for it's 6thGen leading features...oh, well... |
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