07-01-2020, 10:54 PM | #169 | |
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The bad visibility is subjective but I'll concede that most dont like it, however the Mustangs isn't exactly amazing either and ergos are totally subjective and some people like the feeling of sitting in their car not on top of their car. Interior wise both cars are nice enough while not being spectacular. Good for you that you like the way your a10 pp1 with mag ride feels around a curvy road. That's pretty subjective and doesn't hold much weight, same as me thinking the camaros visibility isn't that bad. The fact is that the pp1 a10 was slower than a civic type r around the Throttle House track, and about 3 seconds slower than a pp2 in that same small track. It may not totally suck but it's also not anything to write home about. While Shelby vehicles have upgraded equipment over regular mustangs for sure, like the expensive voodoo, predator, dct and v6 camaros tr3160. You would be very naive to think the Shelby emblem isn't carrying a premium.
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07-02-2020, 08:37 AM | #170 | |
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Ford fan boys favorite dig at the Camaro is that it is nothing special because its a parts bin car. Well They have a fantastic bin to pull from and engines/transmissions/chassis shared across multiple models bring cost down. LT4 used in 3 vehicles, alpha used in 3, A10 in multiple vehicles, cooling lessons learned from C7 Z06. That's a lot of know how and trickle down and cost savings. Now where I will agree is people (general public and greedy delaers )definitely view the shelby name as premium, same way some people view M or AMG as premium and thats why they charge ADM and idiots pay it
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07-02-2020, 01:00 PM | #171 | |
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And if you're comparing A10 trims - both C&D and MT ran 12.1 sec for the PP1 GT A10 @ 120 and 118.8 mph, respectively. For the A10 SS, MT only ran 12.4 @ 115.8 mph and yes C&D ran 12.2 @ 118 mph. C&D also ran an A8 SS 12.3 @ 116 mph.
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07-02-2020, 02:56 PM | #172 | |
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I know you're trying to paint a narrative but it seems whenever they've gone head to head the ss traps higher, more so when comparing similar trims. If the C&D ss that ran 118mph (twice) is a ringer than so is the a10 GT that ran 120mph. You actually do this a lot man. You pick and chose your stats for certain cars but not others. In another post responding to Blaq I believe, you claimed the m6 GT traps at 115+ even though there's no test showing anything more than 115, and if the + is for a decibel you didn't do that for any of the other times cited in said post. In the same post you claimed the gt350 as a 12.3 119mph car even though there are more 12.5 117mph instrumented tests out there. You also claimed the a10 pp1 gt as a 12.1 120mph car even though only one test shows that. While I have no problem with putting the cars best recorded times and trap speeds (most people do), you only do it for mustangs and not Camaros oddly enough. The best as well as most recent m6 camaro ss's tests have shown 12.3 @116, you don't like that so you dismiss it bring up slower tests which you completely ignore for the Mustangs.
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07-02-2020, 03:24 PM | #173 | |
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I don't get why fan boys get so hung up on spreadsheet numbers that mean very little in the real world. I guess maybe to prove they are right and because they have nothing better to do. This isn't Gone in 60 Seconds, LOL Those that like to argue spreadsheet numbers, there is no winning or reasoning with. They remind me of my ex-wife, will argue a point to death just to be right no matter how trivial.
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07-02-2020, 03:30 PM | #174 | |
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Some folks like to drive their cars, some just like to own them and brag about the performance at the same time they brag about how few miles they have on their garage queen. |
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07-02-2020, 07:55 PM | #175 | |
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Also I assume you mean anything under .5 is trivial because I don't know anyone that argues about .05 lol.
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Most performance car buyers are willing to forgive a few short comings in exchange for the performance benefits. In this case sorry buddy, Mustang is just not as good as Camaro at most things. Go ahead and whine on about the visibility, not an issue once you acclimate. The back seat is cramped and trunk too small? Well anyone who buys a Camaro or for that matter a Mustang and believes they are going to stuff a family of 5 onboard needs a reality check. Again, both cars have compromises, deal with it, or buy an Accord. Quote:
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