[396ssrat]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

GM undercut the Camaro to keep the Corvette on top. The management can’t support two performance Chevys.

Gasoline will be dead soon.

[2SSRS@Gen5diy]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Well considering Ford just killed the 350GT with it's wonderful engine it's doubtful GM puts a rumored Corvette engine in the Camaro for a year or two. Big development work.

Also reducing the weight significantly as someone suggested would be HUGELY expensive.

The car OP describes is basically a $100,000 Camaro. So if you are spending $100,000 on a car would you want a Camaro Z/28 or a C8 that will still blow it off the road with the same engine?

There just doesn't seem like a good business case for a Gen6 Z/28.

Biggest hope I think is an (arguably) 7th gen car with GM's first true performance EV propulsion system. Whether you call it a Camaro is another issue, but that's my hope and prediction for 23 or 24.

I will buy one, and there are more like me, but GM does not want me and my friends as a customers.

[396ssrat]

Maybe they can resurrect the name Cameo.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by 2SSRS@Gen5diy

I will buy one, and there are more like me, but GM does not want me and my friends as a customers.

I remember a lot of people saying that last time and in the end they got tagged with the 20% off to get them off the lots lol

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by shaffe

I remember a lot of people saying that last time and in the end they got tagged with the 20% off to get them off the lots lol

That’s because GM has never done anything to push the Camaro as a top tier performance car. You have people paying hundreds of thousands of dollars for GT3RSs with cloth pull tabs instead of door handles. GMs handling of the Camaro has been terrible for decades. Ford has built countless halo variants of the Mustang and people are willing to pay for them. GM builds one, overestimates the demand, then cans the idea because the first one wasn’t a massive success. Because of their incompetence, the Camaro is just as likely to be canceled as it is to see a new generation.

[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

That’s because GM has never done anything to push the Camaro as a top tier performance car. You have people paying hundreds of thousands of dollars for GT3RSs with cloth pull tabs instead of door handles. GMs handling of the Camaro has been terrible for decades. Ford has built countless halo variants of the Mustang and people are willing to pay for them. GM builds one, overestimates the demand, then cans the idea because the first one wasn’t a massive success. Because of their incompetence, the Camaro is just as likely to be canceled as it is to see a new generation.

Probably because Ford's affordable halo car is the Mustang. Ford GT is the halo car, but it's out of reach of most people. Ford doesn't have much to worry about, in that case. A $100k Mustang is till nothing compared to GT's price tag and it also won't touch the performance of GT.

Meanwhile, GM's halo car is the Corvette and it's considered affordable. Of course GM will protect the Corvette sales first.

Speaking of Porsche, the less-than-optimal manual gear ratios on the GT4 might also have influenced by protecting the halo car(911 GT3). BMW also did it with M2C and M4. Same engine, tuned differently so M2C has less power. Camaro SS 1LE can supposedly give C7 Z51 a run for its money on the track, so I'd imagine Chevy would want to protect the C7 sales by restricting the Camaro. Can't have a car that beats the halo product.

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[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by UnknownJinX

Probably because Ford's affordable halo car is the Mustang. Ford GT is the halo car, but it's out of reach of most people. Ford doesn't have much to worry about, in that case. A $100k Mustang is till nothing compared to GT's price tag and it also won't touch the performance of GT.

Meanwhile, GM's halo car is the Corvette and it's considered affordable. Of course GM will protect the Corvette sales first.

Speaking of Porsche, the less-than-optimal manual gear ratios on the GT4 might also have influenced by protecting the halo car(911 GT3). BMW also did it with M2C and M4. Same engine, tuned differently so M2C has less power. Camaro SS 1LE can supposedly give C7 Z51 a run for its money on the track, so I'd imagine Chevy would want to protect the C7 sales by restricting the Camaro. Can't have a car that beats the halo product.

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Well, there is no reason GM couldn't create a halo car that is way ahead of the Camaro. This performance and capability overlap between the Camaro and the Corvette is another sign of their... indecisiveness (in my opinion).

[shaffe]

But everyone told me when the 6th gen came out the gloves are off and they don't protect the corvette haha.

I have said it a few times before when a 6th gen Z comes up and I still stand by it.

1. there's no place for it in the lineup, the ZLE is to good, and the 5th gen Z/28 put them in a hard spot because it was the top dog performance wise on the twisties.
2. they made such a big deal about the 5th gen car being NA that takes the LT5 off the table
3. If the Z/28 got the rumoured FPC from the z06, what else would it need to outperform the ZLE and at what cost.



Only way I see a 6th gen Z/28 is if they have the Z/28 slide down in the line up and be just in between the 1LE and ZL1

[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by shaffe

But everyone told me when the 6th gen came out the gloves are off and they don't protect the corvette haha.

I have said it a few times before when a 6th gen Z comes up and I still stand by it.

1. there's no place for it in the lineup, the ZLE is to good, and the 5th gen Z/28 put them in a hard spot because it was the top dog performance wise on the twisties.
2. they made such a big deal about the 5th gen car being NA that takes the LT5 off the table
3. If the Z/28 got the rumoured FPC from the z06, what else would it need to outperform the ZLE and at what cost.



Only way I see a 6th gen Z/28 is if they have the Z/28 slide down in the line up and be just in between the 1LE and ZL1

From an engineering point of view, yes the Camaro took its gloves off, but GM held it back in terms of marketing.

Seeing how SS 1LE is closer to a standard ZL1(not ZL1 1LE), the Z/28 could be an NA ZL1 1LE, being more of a hardcore track car. The Price difference between SS 1LE and ZL1 could potentially allow something like this to exist. Of course, this is just me thinking out loud.

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[shogun37]

Z/28 will only come out when the death of the Gen6 is established as a final year or 2 run. So 2022 if then? I could totally see all the track bits from ZLE being used but for pete's sake GM tell Multimatic to fix the high-speed comp circuit. It's inexcusable to screw that up so badly. It's EASY to do suspension on smooth tracks - takes no thought. Tackle the hard problem. They already know how since they had to think along those lines for the Multimatic-equipped pickup truck.

[396ssrat]

If you look back at what the Malibu ended up being, it should be clear to you that GM may simply end the Camaro's life with a 4 cylinder. Don't forget there is a woman at the helm and she is hell bent on building electric vehicles.