[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

To install the CJ, you also have to reroute (i.e. bend) the metal fuel lines slightly that go across the front of the manifold to get it to fit. Assuming I don't eventually upgrade to a C7 Z06, someday I'll probably go Comp stage 2 cams along with E85 flex tune and green catted long tubes (closer to the end of my warranty, of which I have 4+ years left).

If you ask me, cams are worthless unless you're forced induction. It is not a good performance value at all unless the plan is ultimately to go forced induction. If you plan to get a C7 Z06 then save your money and don't even bother modding the GT.

[BlaqWhole]

Where has Hotlap been? Anyone seen him lately?

[shaffe]

Have not seen him post lately, hope everything is ok

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

To install the CJ, you also have to reroute (i.e. bend) the metal fuel lines slightly that go across the front of the manifold to get it to fit. Assuming I don't eventually upgrade to a C7 Z06, someday I'll probably go Comp stage 2 cams along with E85 flex tune and green catted long tubes (closer to the end of my warranty, of which I have 4+ years left).

Yea I was just referring to what you have to do with regards to the hood for the CJ.

Usually cams on a coyote aren't very "cost effective" relatively speaking, however I'm a big fan of NA power and recognize you'll have to pay more $ per hp and I'm ok with that. I think that'll be a badass setup if you go that route. If I wasn't going heads cam NA power on the ss I would have done it on the 5.0, but two NA cars seemed redundant so I went FI on the 5.0. Generally speaking the LT1 is the better NA engine and the 5.0 does better with boost imo so I'm happy.

I like your plans on a c7 z, badass out of the box and the lt4 has a lot of easily tapped potential if you go the modding route there as well.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

If you ask me, cams are worthless unless you're forced induction. It is not a good performance value at all unless the plan is ultimately to go forced induction. If you plan to get a C7 Z06 then save your money and don't even bother modding the GT.

Cams are not worthless from a performance perspective, but I agree they may not be a great value since they are so expensive (have to buy 4 instead of 1). But, they're good for a pretty decent amount of extra power. I don't really want to go FI on my Mustang. I have a lot of time to decide though, since IF I go to that level of mods (cams/E85/LTs) on the Mustang, it will be at least 3 years from now. The other side of the coin is, IF I upgrade to a C7 Z06, that will happen before then.

My only hold up with upgrading to a C7 Z06 is I have 3 kids and I enjoy taking them all in my Mustang pretty regularly.

[Scottyz]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

Cams are not worthless from a performance perspective, but I agree they may not be a great value since they are so expensive (have to buy 4 instead of 1). But, they're good for a pretty decent amount of extra power. I don't really want to go FI on my Mustang. I have a lot of time to decide though, since IF I go to that level of mods (cams/E85/LTs) on the Mustang, it will be at least 3 years from now. The other side of the coin is, IF I upgrade to a C7 Z06, that will happen before then.

My only hold up with upgrading to a C7 Z06 is I have 3 kids and I enjoy taking them all in my Mustang pretty regularly.

One of the reasons I bought the ZLE. Expect some battles if you get the C7.

[RagingHawk]

Dealers are asking for 60K for Mach 1's(non-track package). Ford marketing geniuses have done their work to convince the market the Mustang is a premium offering that warrants a premium price tag. Kind of like how Apple does it.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by RagingHawk

Dealers are asking for 60K for Mach 1's(non-track package). Ford marketing geniuses have done their work to convince the market the Mustang is a premium offering that warrants a premium price tag. Kind of like how Apple does it.

...that legendary reality distortion field that only a few can project successfully. Jobs, Musk and to a lesser extent, Gates/Ballmer come to mind.

[RagingHawk]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

...that legendary reality distortion field that only a few can project successfully. Jobs, Musk and to a lesser extent, Gates/Ballmer come to mind.

I can stand all of them but Musk, lol, nor his fanboys. Especially when they try convincing me that Teslas are the best sports cars.

[shogun37]

give it 6 months. Worst case Nov/Dec 2021 they'll be bought for 8-11% off MSRP and might even have incentives to drop it to 15% off.
Hell a GT500 with painted stripes no less was sold at Kerry Ford Ohio last week for 6% BELOW (the stupid, crazy high) MSRP.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by shogun37

give it 6 months. Worst case Nov/Dec 2021 they'll be bought for 8-11% off MSRP and might even have incentives to drop it to 15% off.
Hell a GT500 with painted stripes no less was sold at Kerry Ford Ohio last week for 6% BELOW (the stupid, crazy high) MSRP.

At 20% off MSRP I am still not certain I would buy one. That put's it right where almost anyone could buy a 1SS 1LE for, around $42K/$43K.

Nice looking car, love that they put the Tremec in too. If they are available near that price I would certainly test drive one, but I'm not sure what content it has that would warrant spending more than I would on a SS 1LE. "Mach 1" badge isn't worth anything to me, just a car in the end of the day.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by RagingHawk

Dealers are asking for 60K for Mach 1's(non-track package). Ford marketing geniuses have done their work to convince the market the Mustang is a premium offering that warrants a premium price tag. Kind of like how Apple does it.

I didn't think they had even started building the 21s yet. Hell B&P on Fords site still just shows 2020 lol

[FarmerFran]

I will never forget seeing the 2013 GT500 on the showroom for 30K over...

When I went back to pick up my GT, it was gone. Owner said someone bought it.

They all do it.

[CamaroSSStlfan]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

Sadly Ford has not made a Mustang that competes with the Camaro when comparing competing trims in this Generation.

You have to buy a GT350 to compete with the 1LE. The Mach 1 should also do it, but again you have to spend more on a Mustang to compete with the Camaro.

If you really want to get a 2021 Mustang GT, I would just go for a left over 2020 GT.


Heck lately around me there seems to be a glut of lightly used 2018, 2019 Mustangs under 25k miles and some of the prices have been pretty decent and not much difference than a new one.


I bought my 2016 SS back in Sept because it was a good deal and at the time there wasn't a lot of used Mustangs. I was considering the Mustang but glad I went with the SS. thing has more torque!


But if you really want a Mustang I would seriously consider a 18 or 19 used. As for me, handling isn't a huge concern. I didn't buy my SS for handling. I bought it for a straight line car. These cars are muscle cars. I personally wouldn't pay tons extra to have better suspension and handling.


If you really do want a Mustang though then I'd get a used base model OR low end Premium and just mod it and make it faster.


I can't see spending 50k on a Mustang GT or Camaro SS. When I got my SS I would have taken a bare bones one with just an auto transmission if there was one at a great price.