Wax over Expel

Smokin19 · 02-06-2019, 06:34 AM

I am planning on doing the Expel on my ZL1. Can or should you use wax after it has been applied? Does applying any type of wax make any difference?
Thanks for any responses.

Dave

oneredry · 02-06-2019, 03:49 PM

wax, probably not it could discolor it eventually. I had some Ziebart stuff that I waxed and had it removed because of the crappy install and have a real guy do it using suntech, and you can tell it just yellowed like crazy. So I'd steer clear of that. I however, use Carpro Si02 stuff on it and seems to do just fine. Granted, you won't get the longevity like wax, but its safer to put on that plastic.

Glen e · 02-06-2019, 03:53 PM

Xpel recommends their own sealant… See their website.

That being said, their FAQ section shows that any wax sealant or coating can be used.

Snakebt6 · 02-25-2019, 10:26 AM

Its fine ive polished and sealed over it. It gets a lot of dirt in the seams where the pieces meet. (look above the headlight to the right.) Id say id cover those seams with a narrow piece of tape before waxing so none of it gets in there and dries but I'm not that fanatical.

I got the xpel because I do track the car a few times a year and take a lot of road trips and it seems to really do the job. Just wipe bugs or whatever off with a spray detailer or waterless car wash.

ToeKnee Sea · 02-25-2019, 10:50 AM

yeah wax will show where all your seams are as it builds up at the edges. I have my entire front, hood and rockers done in Xpel. I would stick with a top tier sealant like F11 or Opti-Seal

Smokin19 · 02-26-2019, 06:09 AM

Thanks to all for the tips.

SnakeEyeSS · 03-12-2019, 11:31 PM

My experience:
I have used collinite 845 and Meguiar's Ultimate liquid, Fast finish, Black fire Crystal Seal, Meguiar's Paint Protect(not worth trying, but has red dye), and Hybrid ceramic(blue dye). None of it has discolored it. And just mind the edges when you wash and nothing will build up. I have three cars with PPF currently. No issues. Although that does show I haven't really ever used any pure natural waxes on it.

Gunkk · 03-14-2019, 05:26 AM

+1 for spray-n-wipe sealants on PPF: Carpro Reload, Blackfire SiO2 Spray Sealant, etc. A little goes a long way and almost too easy to use. Many can even be applied to a wet car to use as a drying aid.

Traditional liquid/paste wax is way too much work for no more benefit. While a white car will hide white wax residues better, why do more work? And stay away from using anything with abrasives on a top-shelf PPF like Xpel Ultimate, as it would just wear down the thin self-healing top layer of the film, aging and degrading the self-healing properties that much faster.

Read the documents in Glen's signature here.

Joe M 2012 2SS · 03-14-2019, 08:58 AM

Jersey devil · 03-18-2019, 03:02 PM

Looks as though XPel came out with there own brand of dealer. Wonder how it compares to the others:

XPEL FUSION PLUS Ceramic Coating is a nano ceramic clear liquid coating that can be applied to paint, glass, vinyl and paint protection films, which provides a fortified layer of vehicle protection. Bonding at a molecular level, the ceramic coating seals and protects vehicle surfaces from environmental contaminants, including pollutants, tree sap and insect acids. XPEL FUSION PLUS shields against harmful UV rays and corrosion. In fact, it helps to reduce the amount of oxidation, which can result in dull, fading paint.

Using a hydrophobic formula, XPEL FUSION PLUS boasts self-cleaning properties to repel water, dirt and grime. It is scratch-resistant and helps protect against swirl marks and minor wash scratches to maintain a sleek, high-gloss finish.

https://youtu.be/XwOwxLUkNSI

Smokin19 · 03-19-2019, 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jersey devil

Looks as though XPel came out with there own brand of dealer. Wonder how it compares to the others:

XPEL FUSION PLUS Ceramic Coating is a nano ceramic clear liquid coating that can be applied to paint, glass, vinyl and paint protection films, which provides a fortified layer of vehicle protection. Bonding at a molecular level, the ceramic coating seals and protects vehicle surfaces from environmental contaminants, including pollutants, tree sap and insect acids. XPEL FUSION PLUS shields against harmful UV rays and corrosion. In fact, it helps to reduce the amount of oxidation, which can result in dull, fading paint.

Using a hydrophobic formula, XPEL FUSION PLUS boasts self-cleaning properties to repel water, dirt and grime. It is scratch-resistant and helps protect against swirl marks and minor wash scratches to maintain a sleek, high-gloss finish.

https://youtu.be/XwOwxLUkNSI

So many products coming out, it's getting hard to make a decision on what to get done. But, then more is better right?

Jersey devil · 03-19-2019, 09:52 AM

Unless you get paralysis thru analysis.

FrostySS · 03-19-2019, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jersey devil

Looks as though XPel came out with there own brand of dealer. Wonder how it compares to the others:

XPEL FUSION PLUS Ceramic Coating is a nano ceramic clear liquid coating that can be applied to paint, glass, vinyl and paint protection films, which provides a fortified layer of vehicle protection. Bonding at a molecular level, the ceramic coating seals and protects vehicle surfaces from environmental contaminants, including pollutants, tree sap and insect acids. XPEL FUSION PLUS shields against harmful UV rays and corrosion. In fact, it helps to reduce the amount of oxidation, which can result in dull, fading paint.

Using a hydrophobic formula, XPEL FUSION PLUS boasts self-cleaning properties to repel water, dirt and grime. It is scratch-resistant and helps protect against swirl marks and minor wash scratches to maintain a sleek, high-gloss finish.

https://youtu.be/XwOwxLUkNSI

I'll let you guys know in a few days, the shop I work at is an Xpel dealer, we're trying the ceramic coating out today to see if it's better than Ceramic Pro

Jersey devil · 03-19-2019, 02:40 PM

Thanks bud, should be interesting

02-06-2019, 06:34 AM	#1
Smokin19 Drives: 19' ZL1 A10, w/pdr Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: S.W. ohio Posts: 1,549	Wax over Expel I am planning on doing the Expel on my ZL1. Can or should you use wax after it has been applied? Does applying any type of wax make any difference? Thanks for any responses. Dave __________________ BTR Stg II cam w/ 38% fuel lobe, ARH 2" headers into 3" w/cats, AWE Touring, Kong X port, Weapon X triple ht exchangers, NW 103, Rotofab big gulp, DSX lowside, TCM tune, BMR Lockout, Mustang dyno 720 rwhp, 634 rwtq on 93 pump.

02-06-2019, 03:49 PM	#2
oneredry HYPER SS Drives: 2016 Supercharged 2SS Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Troy OH Posts: 1,252	wax, probably not it could discolor it eventually. I had some Ziebart stuff that I waxed and had it removed because of the crappy install and have a real guy do it using suntech, and you can tell it just yellowed like crazy. So I'd steer clear of that. I however, use Carpro Si02 stuff on it and seems to do just fine. Granted, you won't get the longevity like wax, but its safer to put on that plastic. __________________ Ordered: 1/15/2016 2000 status 02/01/16 3000 status 02/29/16 3400 status 03/07/16 TPW of 03/14/16 4200 status 03/17/16 in transit! Delivered 03/23/16 2SS Hyper Blue \| 6M \| NPP \| Mag ride \| ceramic white Int. \| Black out bow ties \| P3 Gauge\| Front splitter. \| 6 pot upgraded brembo brakes. \| Magnuson Supercharger/95MM pulley \| Rotofab Intake \| ZL1 side skirts \| HRE FF04 wheels - Michelin PSS4 \| ZL1 add ons rock guards and lift points. \| AWE touring - resinated catback with link pipes.

02-06-2019, 03:53 PM	#3
Glen e Retired from Car mfrs.... Drives: 2LT RS/HR-V Join Date: May 2013 Location: /Fort Lauderdale Posts: 10,048	Xpel recommends their own sealant… See their website. That being said, their FAQ section shows that any wax sealant or coating can be used. __________________ Glen CLICK HERE for detailing a new car: detailing for non detailers CLICK HERE for how to rinseless CLICK HERE for EASY wheel sealant

02-25-2019, 10:26 AM	#4
Snakebt6 Drives: Rally Green 2020 ZL1 1LE A10 Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Jacksonville Florida Posts: 402	Its fine ive polished and sealed over it. It gets a lot of dirt in the seams where the pieces meet. (look above the headlight to the right.) Id say id cover those seams with a narrow piece of tape before waxing so none of it gets in there and dries but I'm not that fanatical. I got the xpel because I do track the car a few times a year and take a lot of road trips and it seems to really do the job. Just wipe bugs or whatever off with a spray detailer or waterless car wash. Attached Images

02-26-2019, 06:09 AM	#6
Smokin19 Drives: 19' ZL1 A10, w/pdr Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: S.W. ohio Posts: 1,549	Thanks to all for the tips. __________________ BTR Stg II cam w/ 38% fuel lobe, ARH 2" headers into 3" w/cats, AWE Touring, Kong X port, Weapon X triple ht exchangers, NW 103, Rotofab big gulp, DSX lowside, TCM tune, BMR Lockout, Mustang dyno 720 rwhp, 634 rwtq on 93 pump.

02-25-2019, 10:50 AM	#5
ToeKnee Sea Drives: 2018 Camaro SS 1LE Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Harrisburg, NC Posts: 96	yeah wax will show where all your seams are as it builds up at the edges. I have my entire front, hood and rockers done in Xpel. I would stick with a top tier sealant like F11 or Opti-Seal

03-12-2019, 11:31 PM	#7
SnakeEyeSS Drives: Camaro 2SS & ZL1 Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 856	My experience: I have used collinite 845 and Meguiar's Ultimate liquid, Fast finish, Black fire Crystal Seal, Meguiar's Paint Protect(not worth trying, but has red dye), and Hybrid ceramic(blue dye). None of it has discolored it. And just mind the edges when you wash and nothing will build up. I have three cars with PPF currently. No issues. Although that does show I haven't really ever used any pure natural waxes on it. __________________ 2017 Camaro 2SS A8 Bright Yellow NPP MRC 2023 Camaro ZL1 A10 Radiant Red

03-14-2019, 05:26 AM	#8
Gunkk Thank you Al Oppenheiser! Drives: Red Hot A10 ZL1 Convertible Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Sarasota, FL Posts: 4,973 View My Garage	+1 for spray-n-wipe sealants on PPF: Carpro Reload, Blackfire SiO2 Spray Sealant, etc. A little goes a long way and almost too easy to use. Many can even be applied to a wet car to use as a drying aid. Traditional liquid/paste wax is way too much work for no more benefit. While a white car will hide white wax residues better, why do more work? And stay away from using anything with abrasives on a top-shelf PPF like Xpel Ultimate, as it would just wear down the thin self-healing top layer of the film, aging and degrading the self-healing properties that much faster. Read the documents in Glen's signature here.

03-18-2019, 03:02 PM	#10
Jersey devil Drives: '17 Z06 Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: NJ Posts: 43	Looks as though XPel came out with there own brand of dealer. Wonder how it compares to the others: XPEL FUSION PLUS Ceramic Coating is a nano ceramic clear liquid coating that can be applied to paint, glass, vinyl and paint protection films, which provides a fortified layer of vehicle protection. Bonding at a molecular level, the ceramic coating seals and protects vehicle surfaces from environmental contaminants, including pollutants, tree sap and insect acids. XPEL FUSION PLUS shields against harmful UV rays and corrosion. In fact, it helps to reduce the amount of oxidation, which can result in dull, fading paint. Using a hydrophobic formula, XPEL FUSION PLUS boasts self-cleaning properties to repel water, dirt and grime. It is scratch-resistant and helps protect against swirl marks and minor wash scratches to maintain a sleek, high-gloss finish. https://youtu.be/XwOwxLUkNSI

03-19-2019, 09:52 AM	#12
Jersey devil Drives: '17 Z06 Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: NJ Posts: 43	Unless you get paralysis thru analysis.

03-19-2019, 02:40 PM	#14
Jersey devil Drives: '17 Z06 Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: NJ Posts: 43	Thanks bud, should be interesting

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