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Old 11-14-2019, 06:48 PM   #43
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Are we having fun yet? GM should let everyone here at camaro6 run the company, we would break it in about 2 months.
Haha, they don't need no stinkin' (smokin'?) help in doing that
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Old 11-14-2019, 07:11 PM   #44
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Making the 2020 top ten least reliable cars list doesn’t help matters.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...es/2578463001/

Just another reason why I dislike CR... I’d have no problem recommending a Camaro to a friend, or family member.
Reading that CR article makes me not want to buy a Camaro. Yikes!!
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Old 11-15-2019, 11:28 AM   #45
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Reading that CR article makes me not want to buy a Camaro. Yikes!!
CR is a big joke. They own huge amounts of Toyota stock and have a history of overrating them. There should actually be a law against it. During the Toyota sticking accelerator issue several years ago, CR bent over backwards to the point of getting defensive in protecting Toyotas rep. They actually offered a reward to anyone who could prove Toyotas issue was a valid issue.
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Old 11-15-2019, 12:41 PM   #46
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CR is a big joke. They own huge amounts of Toyota stock and have a history of overrating them. There should actually be a law against it. During the Toyota sticking accelerator issue several years ago, CR bent over backwards to the point of getting defensive in protecting Toyotas rep. They actually offered a reward to anyone who could prove Toyotas issue was a valid issue.
You beat me to it. I was going to say; GM can offer a car identical in every way, to an Accord or a Camry, CR would rate it badly. This was proven when GM was re-badging Corollas as Geo Prisms. CR's bashed the Prizms's reliability (far worse than average), and did not recommend it, while the Corolla had a glowing recommendation. That's what happens when you depend on your readers (most of them who know nothing about cars), to supply dependability information.

Back in the '90's I watched a co-worker (owned a Civic) fill out his annual CR auto-reliability forms. They give you five different spaces to add information about your car(s). He had ONE Civic, but he filled out all five spaces with cars he'd didn't own., one Ford two Chevys, and another glowing Honda Accord which he didn't even own. They guy just hated anything American. These methods are so far from scientific, it's ridiculous.

It changed my views of Consumer Reports, forever.
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Old 11-15-2019, 12:50 PM   #47
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What a joke this article is.
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Old 11-15-2019, 12:54 PM   #48
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Guess we might as well get our orders in for a Mustang Mach-E, lol
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Old 11-15-2019, 01:53 PM   #49
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You beat me to it. I was going to say; GM can offer a car identical in every way, to an Accord or a Camry, CR would rate it badly. This was proven when GM was re-badging Corollas as Geo Prisms. CR's bashed the Prizms's reliability (far worse than average), and did not recommend it, while the Corolla had a glowing recommendation. That's what happens when you depend on your readers (most of them who know nothing about cars), to supply dependability information.

Back in the '90's I watched a co-worker (owned a Civic) fill out his annual CR auto-reliability forms. They give you five different spaces to add information about your car(s). He had ONE Civic, but he filled out all five spaces with cars he'd didn't own., one Ford two Chevys, and another glowing Honda Accord which he didn't even own. They guy just hated anything American. These methods are so far from scientific, it's ridiculous.

It changed my views of Consumer Reports, forever.

Thats true and they did. CR reviewed the Pontiac Vibe. Then in another issue in the same year they reviewed the Toyota Matrix. The Pontiac got Mediocre reviews at best. The Toyota got Raving reviews. I guess CR was to stupid to know that the Vibe and Matrix were identical cars coming off the same assembly line except one was badged Pontiac and the other badged as Toyota.
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Old 11-15-2019, 03:34 PM   #50
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The need to make the 6.2 550 NA that would sell some cars.
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Old 11-16-2019, 01:05 AM   #51
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I get that... to a point. If a more luxurious interior, better seating position, better visibility, etc. are desired, then one shouldn't be looking at this segment. It's a sports/muscle car not a family sedan. Expecting it to be more or something it is not isn't fair and doesn't make sense. I've driven lots of different vehicles in my time (51 years old), and I've loved all of them for different reasons. As with everything in life, there's always give and take.
Arguably they can get it from Ford and dodge.
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Old 11-16-2019, 07:26 AM   #52
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The whole point of starting this thread was because of all the car mag's articles I see on the Mustang. Just sick of seeing them and Dodge this and Hellcat that. They won't even do comparisons anymore, like saying what's the point.

To quote Mark Twain, "The rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated".
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Old 11-16-2019, 08:19 AM   #53
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Here is the answer GM is run by dumbasses.


How could you let the narrow window slits thru to production. The stupid belt line height that leaves you nowhere to place your left arm. A trunk that could be worth a damn, but there is that belt line making it a narrow slit again.


Those are all things normal people look for and it about a near pass as it can get if they feel any of those things.


We know once you get in the car and drive those issues literally melt away because the chassis is that good. The general public doesn't and never will.


Low seating position doesn't wreck sales, people not being able to see wrecks sales. The belt line does that wonderfully regardless of how well the car truly is.


Hell, if they were smart they could do a redesign changing only the belt line and making it have real windows and they would have a sure thing on their hands.....
And if they corrected all of those things, what would it be?

A Challenger, lol

I'm 5'9", I adjust the seat to the correct position, and yeah, I can put my arm on the sill, or the arm rest on the door. But then I have a manual so the left hand is typically on the wheel.

Vision is not a problem. There are those funny looking little things hanging on the doors. They're called side view mirrors. When adjust properly I can see every inch of the blind spot. With a little head movement, (I know, a lot of work to there) I can see two lanes over. (sarcasm not directed at you, just to the general public)

Trunk space? I don't know, it seems to me that a Camaro isn't something you take to Lowes or Costco. That's what trucks are for.

The chassis on this car is damn good. There is nothing this car doesn't do well.
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