10-08-2021, 07:58 PM | #155 | |
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Part of the rationale is not tipping the hand to competitors. Another part is, if you tell customers too far in advance what might be coming, they might wait and not purchase what’s available today.
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10-08-2021, 09:05 PM | #156 | |
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10-08-2021, 09:29 PM | #157 |
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Global or US? Only US deliveries would be counted towards the 400k.
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10-09-2021, 09:43 AM | #158 |
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Yes and some people use horses for work (crowd control and border patrol) but las t checked very few us them to get to work or run out to the grocery store.
ICEs will be like that in 20 years or so. Remember 2030 is 9 years away and both the last 2 remains US auto makers have committed to pretty much being all in on EVs.
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10-09-2021, 09:46 AM | #159 | |
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10-09-2021, 11:30 AM | #161 | |
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GM basically admits failure, then wonders why sales lag for the next few years up to the end. If you want to keep secrets, make it when you plan to announce you have no confidence in a vehicle you expect customers to buy. |
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10-09-2021, 12:12 PM | #162 | |
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10-09-2021, 12:22 PM | #163 |
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Let's take a look.
If GM and Ford are nearly 100% EV by 2030 as they say they are in only 9 more years, and most other OEMs following suit you will be hard pressed to buy an ICE by 2035 with the exception of low volume high dollar hangers on. 10 years after that you will have replaced half of the cars on the road with EVs. So yeah maybe more than 20, but wayyyyy sooner than 75. Most on this website will see it happen.
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Imagining the EV future as if it already happened is way too premature. It's not inevitable as many would prefer everyone else believe. GM's plan doesn't make it so for everyone. The manufacturers may find themselves producing more units than the system can accommodate and more than the car buyers can afford or want. |
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I have yet to see any charging stations here.
I have yet to read about any upgrades to the grid here to handle the huge amount of home charging too. We are all gonna be driving around with a copper hook to catch a lightning bolt like Back To The Future 2.
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I have zero interest in SUV's. I just can't stand them. (although we have one for the happy wife cause) Why is it that when i research new EV's, they almost all SUV's or $1million+ supercars?
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10-13-2021, 04:09 PM | #167 | |
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Tesla took the second approach and went luxury out the box. That way they could price the product high enough to make progress on recovering investment. Now that Tesla’s technology is more mature and going into second and third generation hardware, their costs are lower and they can move down market with their product and sell more volume. Other automakers that are bringing EVs into the market are now trying to maximize their pricing flexibility and sell in higher volume by offering EVs in the vehicle segments that have the highest sales volumes. SUVs, CUVs, and pickup trucks.
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10-13-2021, 09:50 PM | #168 | |
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That's interesting. Looks like Tesla made the right choice. I wonder if cars like the Leaf (i've heard them called 'compliance cars'), actually made things worse for EV reputations, everyone knows about their costly replacement costs of their air cooled battery. In the race for a good, somewhat affordable, high volume EV, it seems the Bolt has beat everyone, but it sure doesn't feel like GM is winning with it for all kinds of reasons. You were writing earlier about battery prices being ~$100/kWhr now. So a Bolt with it's 65kwhr battery is ~$6500 of the price of the car. I'm guessing that's still more than an ICE engine. |
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