[jsboyce]

Washington auto show is Jan 23rd, could it be poss?

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by Q'smuscle

lol... I was thinking more GM cars!

Globally, yes. In the US, no.

Originally Posted by jsboyce

Washington auto show is Jan 23rd, could it be poss?

Nope.

[snarky]

I expect a lighter and improved car from a *comfort* angle but being the new alpha platform I am also concerned about what GM did with the new CTS. That bastard is ugly except for the V-sport ( twin turbo and newer LT-4 ) I've looked at many lower end and mid market CTS and I want to puke a little from most angles. Remember how all of the media went uber wet with joy over the new CTS? Yep, and now Caddy has to discount to get rid of them. And they are one of Cadillacs better sellers! Don't make it a world car ( think new Mustang ) being all things to all people. That never works unless you sell 300k per year.

[Fenderaddict2]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

It could be anything. A Zora ZR1 mid engine concept, for instance.

Payback for all the recent times Ford has upstaged them. I could see this.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by snarky

I expect a lighter and improved car from a *comfort* angle but being the new alpha platform I am also concerned about what GM did with the new CTS. That bastard is ugly except for the V-sport ( twin turbo and newer LT-4 ) I've looked at many lower end and mid market CTS and I want to puke a little from most angles. Remember how all of the media went uber wet with joy over the new CTS? Yep, and now Caddy has to discount to get rid of them. And they are one of Cadillacs better sellers! Don't make it a world car ( think new Mustang ) being all things to all people. That never works unless you sell 300k per year.

Considering how most automotive outlets have praised CTS's design I think it's just you.

Also I'm not sure what Cadillac design has to do with Chevrolet design.

[Q'smuscle]

Originally Posted by snarky

I expect a lighter and improved car from a *comfort* angle but being the new alpha platform I am also concerned about what GM did with the new CTS. That bastard is ugly except for the V-sport ( twin turbo and newer LT-4 ) I've looked at many lower end and mid market CTS and I want to puke a little from most angles. Remember how all of the media went uber wet with joy over the new CTS? Yep, and now Caddy has to discount to get rid of them. And they are one of Cadillacs better sellers! Don't make it a world car ( think new Mustang ) being all things to all people. That never works unless you sell 300k per year.

The car will be function over form which will mean looks will be comprised! To me and alot of others! When talking about the Camaro or Corvette but we'll see! I'm waiting to laughed!

[Q'smuscle]

Originally Posted by Fenderaddict2

Payback for all the recent times Ford has upstaged them. I could see this.

Are you talking about the Ford GT?

[Fenderaddict2]

Possibly

[Q'smuscle]

Originally Posted by Fenderaddict2

Possibly

That was for a few years!

[Fraxum]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Considering how most automotive outlets have praised CTS's design I think it's just you.

Also I'm not sure what Cadillac design has to do with Chevrolet design.

I think Snarky has a point about CTS sales. While the CTS has been praised by the magazines it is a slow seller. As to looks they are only opinions and just like a nose most of us have one.

The problem with Cadillac is simple. Price. Finally GM is building world class cars but charging prices competitive with the Germans. Most high end buyers they do not want to spend Mercedes $$ for a Cadillac. Not that Mercedes is a better car, but rather what buying a Mercedes says about the buyer. Success. Cachet. Before Cadillac was building 2nd tier luxury cars with 2nd tier prices. It was a mistake I think to try and move up.

Hopefully they can hold the price down with the CA6. It is more important than the weight. And hopefully a 1SS 1LE can remain below $40K and a very nice V6/4 can be very low $30sK. GM, avoid the price bloat. As it is many Camaros are getting out of reach for many.

The economy is booming for some, and there are lots of new jobs. But wages are stagnant while cars prices are spiraling upward.

[Posaune]

Originally Posted by jsboyce

Washington auto show is Jan 23rd, could it be poss?

We go to the Washington Auto Show every year. No way would they debut the 6th gen there. Hell, last year they didn't have the ATS coupe which had been shown at Detroit. I was pissed.

[Q'smuscle]

Originally Posted by Fraxum

I think Snarky has a point about CTS sales. While the CTS has been praised by the magazines it is a slow seller. As to looks they are only opinions and just like a nose most of us have one.

The problem with Cadillac is simple. Price. Finally GM is building world class cars but charging prices competitive with the Germans. Most high end buyers they do not want to spend Mercedes $$ for a Cadillac. Not that Mercedes is a better car, but rather what buying a Mercedes says about the buyer. Success. Cachet. Before Cadillac was building 2nd tier luxury cars with 2nd tier prices. It was a mistake I think to try and move up.

Hopefully they can hold the price down with the CA6. It is more important than the weight. And hopefully a 1SS 1LE can remain below $40K and a very nice V6/4 can be very low $30sK. GM, avoid the price bloat. As it is many Camaros are getting out of reach for many.

The economy is booming for some, and there are lots of new jobs. But wages are stagnant while cars prices are spiraling upward.

Yea , I think Cadillac can be at the same price as the German cars but everything takes time and Cadillac charging 6,000 extra than the last model is too much at one time! Now they're selling them with a 3,000 discount!

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by snarky

I expect a lighter and improved car from a *comfort* angle but being the new alpha platform I am also concerned about what GM did with the new CTS. That bastard is ugly except for the V-sport ( twin turbo and newer LT-4 ) I've looked at many lower end and mid market CTS and I want to puke a little from most angles. Remember how all of the media went uber wet with joy over the new CTS? Yep, and now Caddy has to discount to get rid of them. And they are one of Cadillacs better sellers! Don't make it a world car ( think new Mustang ) being all things to all people. That never works unless you sell 300k per year.

This is the catch 22. If you want to sell 300,000 units you have to make it a global car.

The historically awesome BMW 3/4 series has sold 400,000 units globally. That is huge purchasing power that makes the car that much more profitable.

As for the CTS, go drive one. There is really nothing to complain about other than the styling might not suit you. And that is ok. Me? The only reason I don't have a CTS V-sport right now instead of the SS is nothing more than the $20,000 price difference.

Originally Posted by Q'smuscle

The car will be function over form which will mean looks will be comprised! To me and alot of others! When talking about the Camaro or Corvette but we'll see! I'm waiting to laughed!

Sorry, but GM has a lonnngggggg history of putting form over function. The Gen 5 Camaro is the one that is most appropriate for this forum. The old CTS coupe was a joke. The ATS rear seat accommodations are absolutely horrid compared to a 3 Series or A4. I've been in too many of those discussions and watched the styling guys win.

[Q'smuscle]

Originally Posted by Number 3

This is the catch 22. If you want to sell 300,000 units you have to make it a global car.

The historically awesome BMW 3/4 series has sold 400,000 units globally. That is huge purchasing power that makes the car that much more profitable.

As for the CTS, go drive one. There is really nothing to complain about other than the styling might not suit you. And that is ok. Me? The only reason I don't have a CTS V-sport right now instead of the SS is nothing more than the $20,000 price difference.

I like the ATS look way better than the CTS!



Sorry, but GM has a lonnngggggg history of putting form over function. The Gen 5 Camaro is the one that is most appropriate for this forum. The old CTS coupe was a joke. The ATS rear seat accommodations are absolutely horrid compared to a 3 Series or A4. I've been in too many of those discussions and watched the styling guys win.

Well what the hell happen to the Cadillac escalade? Them things is horrendous! But hey , if GM sticks with form over function I'll love the look of the 6th Gen! But I don't think they will because GM have been making the 5th Gen more function than form ! Just look at the steering and retro speedometer numbers that they changed to a universal and less attractive looking ones! They're listening to the public with the Camaro now so this is why the car will be going the way of the mustang, not the Challenger! Ppl complaining about size , weight and blind spots now! So I'll be surprised if those are still there when the 6th Gen is revealed!