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Old 04-23-2020, 12:39 PM   #7029
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Yeah, i've read some of his statements on the reasoning. Other than take rate, something about cabin layout, footwell, and not being able to go mechanical linkages on MT.

Either way, get used to it.
TJ has mentioned footwell (seems odd that RHD C8s exist with the accelerator in/near the dead pedal position that apparently has no room for a third pedal...), mentioned 15% and declining manual take rates - has been verified through many accounts the lowest take rate is just over 20% for the 2019 MY base stingrays, again ZR1s were 30%), and also not cutting into the center tunnel (well the C6-C7 has a torque tube that is neither cut into by a shifter or linkage - the C8 could use cables like a Porsche, and still have room for a shifter above the center tunnel as the interior trim rises well above the metal tunnel brace in current config).

Anyway, I'm not saying it WILL be done, but the excuses should never have been given - it should have just been said that financially and from a business perspective, they decided to go only DCT.

Again, DCTs are great in my experience, but boring in a very short time.
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Old 04-23-2020, 03:33 PM   #7030
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The first sentence and the one about un-noticed are my point.

I'm aware of the GXP Solstice, Redline Sky, Cobalt later SS. I don't think those cars lacked a following because of performance or weren't promoted. They were basically import fighters. Also the role of the CT4-V. I don't think that can be a wide spread role.

There's a movie quote about magic. It goes roughly: It's not the secret, it's the trick you use it for. The Silverado L3B wasn't received well, and that connection can hurt the CT4. If they switch the Colorado/Canyon benchmark from Tacoma to Ranger. They may just re-inforce them as segment front-runners.

GM doesn't really have the papa Henry/papa Toyoda effect in their favor.
Most certainly the Solstice and Cobalt were not ignored. I believe the Cobalt SS had the greatest impact with the 2l Turbo. One could reason that all of those cars you mentioned were two door sports coupes, which by their nature tend to be more flamboyant or "me" type of cars, and their performance helped their reputation. With the sedans and cross-overs, their persona are more laid back and or docile, so they aren't necessarily looked at as performance cars. To become a "star" if you are an automobile, it takes timing of promotion, very good to excellent quality execution, and a market of competing cars to gain notice. Sometimes a lack of competition can make a car seem less noticeable as well.
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Old 04-23-2020, 04:02 PM   #7031
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I would love to have a little daily turbo Cobalt. I still know a guy with the HHR SS Turbo that hurts lots of feelings from a roll.
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Old 04-23-2020, 05:18 PM   #7032
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Yup, Im still sore at GM for pulling out of that market. If they stuck the 2.0t in a 2door version of the cruze it would have been competition for todays civic and veloster at a lower price. It might have even made the cruze worthy of keeping around. Remember they had a dealer upgrade that put out 290hp/300tq back in 2008.
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Old 04-23-2020, 07:30 PM   #7033
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This appears to be the 2021 Canyon lineup.


L to R: Elevation Standard, Elevation, Denali, AT4


It's an odd tier structure for sure, pretty sure Colorado is staying with the usual W/T, LT, Z71, ZR2 trims. Not sure why GM decided to do away with SL/SLE/SLT.
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Old 04-24-2020, 09:08 AM   #7034
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If I was gonna look for a front driver, Finding a VR6 Golf would have my interest now. Turbo spool is puke. Maybe the GXP G6. But a few things. Generational size growth always bothered me. Pontiacs seemed like chic cars. And I held it against other GM brands when Olds and the Camaro went the wrong way or were given up on.
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Old 04-24-2020, 09:34 AM   #7035
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https://www.hagerty.com/media/news/g...ur-horsepower/


Speculated future C8 powertrains.
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Old 04-24-2020, 11:31 AM   #7036
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I'd like to see that 5.5L FPC make it's way into a future Z/28.
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Old 04-25-2020, 11:32 AM   #7037
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This appears to be the 2021 Canyon lineup.


L to R: Elevation Standard, Elevation, Denali, AT4


It's an odd tier structure for sure, pretty sure Colorado is staying with the usual W/T, LT, Z71, ZR2 trims. Not sure why GM decided to do away with SL/SLE/SLT.
Finally... The full line up!

Yeah...I agree that the changes are kind of strange.
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Finally... The full line up!

Yeah...I agree that the changes are kind of strange.

I can't imagine the Elevation package on Canyon was so widely popular that GM decided to make it standard. But it appears as though that's essentially what they've done.


Then again while looking for 2020 Canyons I could barely find a non-Elevation edition around here.
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Old 04-25-2020, 01:34 PM   #7039
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I can't imagine the Elevation package on Canyon was so widely popular that GM decided to make it standard. But it appears as though that's essentially what they've done.


Then again while looking for 2020 Canyons I could barely find a non-Elevation edition around here.
I personally really like the elevation look a lot but I have always found it disappointing that you couldn't get the SLT trim amenities in an elevation package. so I think it's pretty cool that they offer the high elevation package now.

Any idea when they might finally reveal the Colorado trim line?
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I like the body color look of the Elevations but I could pass on the blacked out wheels. I don't absolutely hate them, but I'll probably end up trading someone for All Terrain or AT4 wheels.


No idea about Colorado. I had to search hard to find that image, ended up finding it on some random dealer's website. There are a few non-ZR2 2021 Colorado images floating around.



Assuming this is an LT...





Maybe a Z71 based on the grille badge?





LT 4WD maybe...





Again, these were all found on random dealer websites. I guess they pulled them from internal sales guides or something.
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Here's another:



I'm not sure what to think. I do like the wheels...pretty sure it is Z71.
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On the topic of Colorados, and a possible mod for those of y'all who own one...


https://www.coloradofans.com/threads...-bezel.410989/


Apparently GM quietly released either an accessory or a special edition fog light bezel with an LED signature.
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