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Old 04-26-2018, 05:22 PM   #1
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Question about ZL1 1LE mules (potential Z/28)

So the ZL1 1LE as we know it has all the aero bits and what not that we expected for the Z/28. And there was the test mule that had the carbon ceramic brakes equipped with no 1LE wing earlier this year. But the headlights.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...en-spy-photos/

https://www.carscoops.com/2016/05/20...rning-howl-to/

Those are obviously base model 2.0T / V6 headlights. Not RS headlights.

http://www.motortrend.com/news/2018-...z28-successor/

Is this a silly thing to note? The 5th gen Z/28 had the non-RS lights, and the ZL1 mules in 2011 I think had the final model RS lights from the get go. That seems like a very strange thing for GM to not be concerned about.

If I'm wrong or its been talked about before, you know, ignore me. I just haven't seen it brought up frequently and I skim through occasionally.
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Old 04-26-2018, 06:09 PM   #2
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So the ZL1 1LE as we know it has all the aero bits and what not that we expected for the Z/28. And there was the test mule that had the carbon ceramic brakes equipped with no 1LE wing earlier this year. But the headlights.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...en-spy-photos/

https://www.carscoops.com/2016/05/20...rning-howl-to/

Those are obviously base model 2.0T / V6 headlights. Not RS headlights.

http://www.motortrend.com/news/2018-...z28-successor/

Is this a silly thing to note? The 5th gen Z/28 had the non-RS lights, and the ZL1 mules in 2011 I think had the final model RS lights from the get go. That seems like a very strange thing for GM to not be concerned about.

If I'm wrong or its been talked about before, you know, ignore me. I just haven't seen it brought up frequently and I skim through occasionally.
Don't get what your saying, but the last Z/28 came with non RS headlights, ZL1 got the RS lights.
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Old 04-26-2018, 07:49 PM   #3
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It’s simple marketing just like the Corvette ZR1 that just came out... make something incredible that is also cheap for what it does and it WILL sell. Chevy has all the parts in the bin to make a Z28 with LT5 engine. Just needs a bigger wing and even more serious aero and voila, a monster Camaro mirroring Corvette ZR1 performance ready to be MSRP’d at 79k-84k.

The ZR1 already destroys the ZL1 in a drag race, Al O said himself it would be nice to complete the Nurnburgring in under 7... what does that tell you?

It’s going to happen guys. Corvette ZR1 just needs a year on it’s own before they’ll drop an LT5 Camaro. They aren’t going to let Dodge and Ford step all over them.

Just pray it doesn’t use the horrendous 2019 front end.
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Old 04-27-2018, 09:30 AM   #4
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It’s simple marketing just like the Corvette ZR1 that just came out... make something incredible that is also cheap for what it does and it WILL sell. Chevy has all the parts in the bin to make a Z28 with LT5 engine. Just needs a bigger wing and even more serious aero and voila, a monster Camaro mirroring Corvette ZR1 performance ready to be MSRP’d at 79k-84k.

The ZR1 already destroys the ZL1 in a drag race, Al O said himself it would be nice to complete the Nurnburgring in under 7... what does that tell you?

It’s going to happen guys. Corvette ZR1 just needs a year on it’s own before they’ll drop an LT5 Camaro. They aren’t going to let Dodge and Ford step all over them.

Just pray it doesn’t use the horrendous 2019 front end.
Until the ZR1 officially laps the ring under 7 I wouldn't get my hopes for the Camaro doing it.

Also Al O said the last gen the Z/28 needs/is/will be powered NA. Unless they decide to ditch that I don't see the LT5 showing up in a Z/28.
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Old 04-27-2018, 07:24 PM   #5
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That hood looks very similar the the LT5 ZR1 hoods in the first R&T link.
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Old 04-27-2018, 08:49 PM   #6
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Don't get what your saying, but the last Z/28 came with non RS headlights, ZL1 got the RS lights.
Yeah. That's my point. The "ZL1 1LE" mules with carbon ceramic brakes have non-RS lights. Just like the previous mule that crashed on the Nurburgring. Z/28 mules had non-RS lights, like the production model. 5th gen ZL1 mules had RS lights, like the production models.

i.e. I posted links that show "ZL1 1LE" mules with non-RS headlights and the final ZL1 obviously has RS headlights.
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Old 04-27-2018, 10:04 PM   #7
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Man, I really hope you're onto something here... GM can do it, but will they?...
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Old 04-27-2018, 11:28 PM   #8
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I've been wrong before. But it certainly seems weird unless they're going to release an enhanced ZL1 1LE package in likeness to the ZR1 ZTK, and even that is apples to oranges because the ZR1 has carbon ceramic brakes stock and the ZTK is basically just a ZR1 1LE.
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Old 04-28-2018, 07:40 PM   #9
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Just out of curiosity, any other name plates or RPO codes Camaro team could blow the dust off of instead of using the Z/28 again?
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Unfortunately, I think the headline of this article pretty much accurately sums up the situation.

http://www.motortrend.com/news/2018-...z28-successor/

At this point I don't see GM making an LS7 type N/A engine again.

Unless they drop in the LT5, going against the Z/28 is N/A philosophy, into the ZL1 1LE, or put the LT1 in the ZL1 1LE chassis, which I don't see either happening, Z/28 is probably going to skip this generation.
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Old 04-29-2018, 10:55 AM   #11
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Yeah, for clarification, I wasn't trying to get anyone's hopes up, I personally am confident a Z/28 won't appear. But if the GT500 has another 80 or so horsepower lead on the ZL1 like the 5th generations did, I'm kinda interested in what GM may or may not pull out. I don't think anything will touch the ZR1 (other than the Ford GT) which leads me to believe it has enough of a lead for another slightly higher tier Camaro potentially but I'm not dead set on believing one will exist. The carbon ceramic brake mule is interesting though. They're definitely planning something, small or large.
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Yeah, for clarification, I wasn't trying to get anyone's hopes up, I personally am confident a Z/28 won't appear. But if the GT500 has another 80 or so horsepower lead on the ZL1 like the 5th generations did, I'm kinda interested in what GM may or may not pull out. I don't think anything will touch the ZR1 (other than the Ford GT) which leads me to believe it has enough of a lead for another slightly higher tier Camaro potentially but I'm not dead set on believing one will exist. The carbon ceramic brake mule is interesting though. They're definitely planning something, small or large.

The LT5 would certainly make it an interesting ride. Don't think it will happen though.
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Old 04-29-2018, 11:33 PM   #13
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Yeah, for clarification, I wasn't trying to get anyone's hopes up, I personally am confident a Z/28 won't appear. But if the GT500 has another 80 or so horsepower lead on the ZL1 like the 5th generations did, I'm kinda interested in what GM may or may not pull out. I don't think anything will touch the ZR1 (other than the Ford GT) which leads me to believe it has enough of a lead for another slightly higher tier Camaro potentially but I'm not dead set on believing one will exist. The carbon ceramic brake mule is interesting though. They're definitely planning something, small or large.
GM isn’t going to respond to anything.

The Camaro is what it is. GM doesn’t really care how it does, relative to the competition.
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Old 04-29-2018, 11:40 PM   #14
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LT5 won't go into the Z28, perhaps the ZL1 one day. Z28 will be naturally aspirated as per a very well known Chevrolet Chief Engineer. NA only on his watch, and rightly so. The Z28 has always been NA. I will NEVER forget my first ride in the original LT1 Z28.

When Chevy works the bugs out of the LT6 (unlike the debacle of a competitors rush to push the Voodoo' into production), and a year or two after the C8 release, I believe that we will see the new Chevy DOHC NA in the resurrection of the Z28. Complete with DSSV, CCBS option, plenty of delete options and lots of aluminum and some CF.
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