[Evansa22]

Originally Posted by KamZL1

So i know you don't want to do a pulley because of primarily track usage, but lets just say you did, and drop e content to e60, is it really possible to have a car making more than 715 without a lowside fuel system? (I'm assuming the JMS is on the absolute limit currently with your build)

Made almost 760 whp with just a cam 38% and jms booster, no other fuel mods. Was told lowside and high side were still strong on e50-60. Waiting to do logs to see what it looks like with my own eyes.

Great gains Tim! Can't wait to see you drop a cam in it! When the time comes.

[Camaro1973]

Originally Posted by JSH

Do your dyno charts show the CF? I know you can see it on Dyno Jet's PowerCore or WinPEP config or calibration.

Here's the built-in formula (although this one has been updated to 2011, I believe):

Dynojets normally print them out. Looks like he’s got the option turned off.

Should look like this.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by Evansa22

Made almost 760 whp with just a cam ...

It's objectionable to many, but I've always believed that the valve train should be your first mod

[CW3SF]

Originally Posted by Evansa22

Made almost 760 whp with just a cam 38% and jms booster, no other fuel mods. Was told lowside and high side were still strong on e50-60. Waiting to do logs to see what it looks like with my own eyes.

Great gains Tim! Can't wait to see you drop a cam in it! When the time comes.

Thanks Aaron. I appreciate it.

[SOCAL.M6.ZLE]

Originally Posted by CW3SF

Just picked up the car.

Did a final pull on 91 this morning and made 627 SAE.

Final numbers are 713.81rwhp and 660.57rwtrq SAE. This was on indicated e84 (on HP Tuners) and 10 lbs of boost. Injector PW is mid to upper 5s.

I couldn’t be any more pleased.

Great results... Im sure she pulls strong...

[SOCAL.M6.ZLE]

Originally Posted by Evansa22

Made almost 760 whp with just a cam 38% and jms booster, no other fuel mods. Was told lowside and high side were still strong on e50-60. Waiting to do logs to see what it looks like with my own eyes.

Great gains Tim! Can't wait to see you drop a cam in it! When the time comes.

Makes me wonder... If you are a bolt on car like me with 650rwhp, and you are thinking of more... sounds like there are (2) different directions to take to get to 725rwhp+
1. Cam
2. Blower Porting + Fuel System


Is it just me... or is the cam only the cheaper route right?
You get the HP and fuel gains with one bullet?


Or am I over simplifying it?



I can see that option.2 has alot more room for future growth, but if 725rwhp +/- was the goal, that cam only would be the most cost effective?

[CW3SF]

Originally Posted by SOCAL.M6.ZLE

Makes me wonder... If you are a bolt on car like me with 650rwhp, and you are thinking of more... sounds like there are (2) different directions to take to get to 725rwhp+
1. Cam
2. Blower Porting + Fuel System


Is it just me... or is the cam only the cheaper route right?
You get the HP and fuel gains with one bullet?


Or am I over simplifying it?



I can see that option.2 has alot more room for future growth, but if 725rwhp +/- was the goal, that cam only would be the most cost effective?

It’s all gonna get done eventually anyways. Just pick one and roll with it LOL. There’s no stopping at 725.

[CW3SF]

Originally Posted by SOCAL.M6.ZLE

Great results... Im sure she pulls strong...

Yes sir. I put some miles on this afternoon. It pulls hard to redline. It’s quite a hoot to drive.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by SOCAL.M6.ZLE

Makes me wonder... If you are a bolt on car like me with 650rwhp, and you are thinking of more... sounds like there are (2) different directions to take to get to 725rwhp+
1. Cam
2. Blower Porting + Fuel System

Is it just me... or is the cam only the cheaper route right?
You get the HP and fuel gains with one bullet?

Or am I over simplifying it?

I can see that option.2 has alot more room for future growth, but if 725rwhp +/- was the goal, that cam only would be the most cost effective?

HPE makes 150 wheel on 93 octane on a Dyno Jet just with valve train, heads, headers, 10% lower, CAI, and virgin SC / TB. Obviously, I think that's pretty damn good. However, one of the downsides is that it's pretty damn lumpy.

[Evansa22]

Originally Posted by JSH

It's objectionable to many, but I've always believed that the valve train should be your first mod

I would agree, should have mentioned i did the full valvetrain as well with trunion upgrade. Lifters, dod delete, all that.

Originally Posted by SOCAL.M6.ZLE

Makes me wonder... If you are a bolt on car like me with 650rwhp, and you are thinking of more... sounds like there are (2) different directions to take to get to 725rwhp+
1. Cam
2. Blower Porting + Fuel System


Is it just me... or is the cam only the cheaper route right?
You get the HP and fuel gains with one bullet?


Or am I over simplifying it?



I can see that option.2 has alot more room for future growth, but if 725rwhp +/- was the goal, that cam only would be the most cost effective?

You can do cam/valvetrain, blower/port injection, depends on how much power you're trying to make and how much you wanna spend. Cam you're probably gonna wanna take it to a shop, blower/port you might be able to knock it out yourself. Same with upgraded high side pump and injectors. I went heads/cam/valvetrain because the oil pump had to be replaced.

Swear I'm not trying to hijack the thread, hope this helps give a little knowledge

[CW3SF]

Originally Posted by Evansa22

I would agree, should have mentioned i did the full valvetrain as well with trunion upgrade. Lifters, dod delete, all that.



You can do cam/valvetrain, blower/port injection, depends on how much power you're trying to make and how much you wanna spend. Cam you're probably gonna wanna take it to a shop, blower/port you might be able to knock it out yourself. Same with upgraded high side pump and injectors. I went heads/cam/valvetrain because the oil pump had to be replaced.

Swear I'm not trying to hijack the thread, hope this helps give a little knowledge

You’re good man, please do contribute. That’s what it’s all about.

I’ll add that I was surprised just how easy it is to R&R the blower, HPFP and Injectors. Shops shouldn’t be charging more than 4 hrs to remove and 4 hrs to replace all 3 items at once. And that’s being very generous. Probably more like 3hrs/3hrs.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by CW3SF

It’s all gonna get done eventually anyways. Just pick one and roll with it LOL. There’s no stopping at 725.

Here's the current SAE CF formula. All you need is pressure in mb and ambient temp C. The main point is, the formula is in Dyno Jet's computer.

[KingLT1]

Originally Posted by SOCAL.M6.ZLE

Makes me wonder... If you are a bolt on car like me with 650rwhp, and you are thinking of more... sounds like there are (2) different directions to take to get to 725rwhp+
1. Cam
2. Blower Porting + Fuel System


Is it just me... or is the cam only the cheaper route right?
You get the HP and fuel gains with one bullet?


Or am I over simplifying it?



I can see that option.2 has alot more room for future growth, but if 725rwhp +/- was the goal, that cam only would be the most cost effective?

It is if you are doing the work. If not bolt-ons, port, and fuel system upgrade to run more E is the better route then cam only on 93.

A cam kit and install normally run 5k +.

Setup 1 will be faster in real world...

[CW3SF]

An added benefit to this build is that the blower whine is noticeably louder. I removed the sound dampening plate from the lid. That combined with the switch to the Big Gulp and the Kong porting really make a difference.