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morepowerjoe · 04-08-2022, 10:48 PM

Hey guys I was wondering if it would be worth it to go with say a fast intake and 102 throttle body to get a few more hp and higher up in the rpm range? I currently have a stock intake with the SS1 vvt and it produced 438 rwhp at 6100 rpm but carried it to 6400 rpm. What are your thoughts on this?

KW Baraka · 04-09-2022, 01:36 AM

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morepowerjoe · 04-09-2022, 01:54 AM

I don't really know if that answers any questions for me since there using a SS4 cam. My question is if it will do anything for my combination getting me up there in the 6700 rpm range with my SS1 vvt cam.

Ashen 6.2 · 04-09-2022, 05:41 AM

It's not worth it IMO. With the FAST you will lose more low/mid range than you will gain on the top end. Plus, the gains that GPI shows with the SS4 is after your cam peaks currently.

Money would be better spent (and saving some $$ for other things) for a rod mod & ported intake. Are you on stock converter?

morepowerjoe · 04-09-2022, 05:46 AM

Yeah I'm still running the stock converter.

Bigdumogre · 04-09-2022, 07:34 AM

Rod mod intake from gpi would be the best bang for the buck. You send them the old one and it would cost you 1/3 the price of those other manifolds.
Only other one worth dropping money on is the lod with a 102 opening. But that combo cost a lot more for such a little gain over rod mod. Ported throttle body is also a cheap upgrade that I think is worth it. It increased my throttle response nicely.

But converters are a huge upgrade on our cars.

Ashen 6.2 · 04-09-2022, 07:45 AM

Converter would be a great upgrade and compliment your cam really well. My buddy had the SS1 with ported heads and then added a 258 single disc 3700 converter and it was like a whole new combo after that.

Tarendor · 04-09-2022, 07:47 AM

Back in my early days of modding when I had the ss1 cam and did the rod mod I felt the difference. I re-ignighted my MOD SICKNESS and made me start doing other stuff in search of that feeling.

LETS GO!!!

morepowerjoe · 04-09-2022, 07:47 AM

I'm gonna think about the gpi rod mod. I know a converter is a big deal but I think I'm going to wait until my rebuild before I do that because I'm at 166k right now. lol

Ashen 6.2 · 04-09-2022, 08:04 AM

gotcha. Yeah, if you planning a rebuild would be better to get a converter to match the specs of that build.

1JEWLDSSRS · 04-10-2022, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigdumogre

Rod mod intake from gpi would be the best bang for the buck. You send them the old one and it would cost you 1/3 the price of those other manifolds.
Only other one worth dropping money on is the lod with a 102 opening. But that combo cost a lot more for such a little gain over rod mod. Ported throttle body is also a cheap upgrade that I think is worth it. It increased my throttle response nicely.

But converters are a huge upgrade on our cars.

Great advice here. The stock manifold with the rod mod done to it from GPI will be the way you want to go since you are staying under 7k rpm and the small cam. And as mentioned, a ported TB will help increase your throttle response a lot, as it did when mine it was the stock manifold. When you do your rebuild and want to take it to the moon in rpm, the LOD can't be beat!! Good luck.

WHAMMO · 04-11-2022, 08:06 PM

Not worth it really, unless you wanna burn some cash. Get that stock unit modded.

morepowerjoe · 04-11-2022, 08:26 PM

Thanks guys I think I will hold off until my rebuild and decide what cam I'm going to go with cause then I'll know what rpm range I'll be in. Thanks again.

1JEWLDSSRS · 04-12-2022, 08:22 AM

Yes sir. So many ways you can go depending on what YOU are going to be using the car for. The stock manifold/heads just can't be beat as it is good up to and a bit beyond the 6800 rpm you want to take it to. Mine before the LOD we made 460 rwhp at 6800.

04-08-2022, 10:48 PM	#1
morepowerjoe Drives: 2012 Chevrolet Camaro l99 Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 2,103	Intake manifold questions Hey guys I was wondering if it would be worth it to go with say a fast intake and 102 throttle body to get a few more hp and higher up in the rpm range? I currently have a stock intake with the SS1 vvt and it produced 438 rwhp at 6100 rpm but carried it to 6400 rpm. What are your thoughts on this? __________________ DSS FX Forged Pistons, Eagle ESP L19 Forged Rods, ARP Head and Main Studs, TSP PRC 260 CNC Ported Heads milled .030, Cometic .040 Head Gaskets, GPI SS3 VVT Camshaft, GM Performance Racing Lifters, CHE Trunnions , Molly Pushrods, Melling 10355HV Oil Pump, Cold Air Inductions CAI, Fast LSXR Intake Manifold, Nick Williams 103 TB, TSP 1 7/8" Longtubes with 3" TSP Exhaust, ZL1 Fuel Pump, Mishimoto Radiator, Mishimoto Oil Cooler, Tru Cool 40k Tranny Cooler, 3600 Circle D Converter, Fluid Dynamics Balancer Build Thread https://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=609817

04-09-2022, 01:54 AM	#3
morepowerjoe Drives: 2012 Chevrolet Camaro l99 Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 2,103	I don't really know if that answers any questions for me since there using a SS4 cam. My question is if it will do anything for my combination getting me up there in the 6700 rpm range with my SS1 vvt cam. __________________ DSS FX Forged Pistons, Eagle ESP L19 Forged Rods, ARP Head and Main Studs, TSP PRC 260 CNC Ported Heads milled .030, Cometic .040 Head Gaskets, GPI SS3 VVT Camshaft, GM Performance Racing Lifters, CHE Trunnions , Molly Pushrods, Melling 10355HV Oil Pump, Cold Air Inductions CAI, Fast LSXR Intake Manifold, Nick Williams 103 TB, TSP 1 7/8" Longtubes with 3" TSP Exhaust, ZL1 Fuel Pump, Mishimoto Radiator, Mishimoto Oil Cooler, Tru Cool 40k Tranny Cooler, 3600 Circle D Converter, Fluid Dynamics Balancer Build Thread https://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=609817

04-09-2022, 05:41 AM	#4
Ashen 6.2 Drives: 2014 Camaro Z/SS Join Date: May 2014 Location: NW Arkansas Posts: 1,993 View My Garage	It's not worth it IMO. With the FAST you will lose more low/mid range than you will gain on the top end. Plus, the gains that GPI shows with the SS4 is after your cam peaks currently. Money would be better spent (and saving some $$ for other things) for a rod mod & ported intake. Are you on stock converter? __________________ 2014 Camaro SS L99, Ashen Grey w/Black Leather - Build thread - http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=491561 Mods - GPI 416 w/Custom Grind Cam, Ported Heads & Tuned by Ben, Mag Heartbeat, ZL1 Fuel Pump & DSX Aux Pump, NW 103 TB, FIC 1650's, Alky Meth, Circle D 3600 Triple Disc, RPM 5” CAI, Kooks Headers, Solo Cat Back, Viking Coil Overs & all the BMR Goodies in the rear, Zl1 3.23 Diff, DSS Axles, Gulfcoast Driveshaft, Hendrix Offset Diff Bushings, AFE Solid Subframe Bushings, 875HP/843TQ 5FDP

04-09-2022, 05:46 AM	#5
morepowerjoe Drives: 2012 Chevrolet Camaro l99 Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 2,103	Yeah I'm still running the stock converter. __________________ DSS FX Forged Pistons, Eagle ESP L19 Forged Rods, ARP Head and Main Studs, TSP PRC 260 CNC Ported Heads milled .030, Cometic .040 Head Gaskets, GPI SS3 VVT Camshaft, GM Performance Racing Lifters, CHE Trunnions , Molly Pushrods, Melling 10355HV Oil Pump, Cold Air Inductions CAI, Fast LSXR Intake Manifold, Nick Williams 103 TB, TSP 1 7/8" Longtubes with 3" TSP Exhaust, ZL1 Fuel Pump, Mishimoto Radiator, Mishimoto Oil Cooler, Tru Cool 40k Tranny Cooler, 3600 Circle D Converter, Fluid Dynamics Balancer Build Thread https://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=609817

04-09-2022, 07:34 AM	#6
Bigdumogre Drives: 2012 Camaro SS Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: New York Posts: 1,434	Rod mod intake from gpi would be the best bang for the buck. You send them the old one and it would cost you 1/3 the price of those other manifolds. Only other one worth dropping money on is the lod with a 102 opening. But that combo cost a lot more for such a little gain over rod mod. Ported throttle body is also a cheap upgrade that I think is worth it. It increased my throttle response nicely. But converters are a huge upgrade on our cars. __________________ 2012 Camaro 2SS/RS - CSP Custom Cam 232/240 .615/.615 113 +3, Texas speed CNC heads, FTI billet triple disc converter, K&N cai, Katech ported TB, GPI Ported/rod modded manifold, Texas speed 1 7/8 headers, HFC, Flowmaster 2 chambers with x pipe, Mishimoto CC, MSD wires, Roto fab washer relocation, tru cool 40k trans cooler, apex scoop, Pedders extreme coil overs and much more!!

04-09-2022, 07:45 AM	#7
Ashen 6.2 Drives: 2014 Camaro Z/SS Join Date: May 2014 Location: NW Arkansas Posts: 1,993 View My Garage	Converter would be a great upgrade and compliment your cam really well. My buddy had the SS1 with ported heads and then added a 258 single disc 3700 converter and it was like a whole new combo after that. __________________ 2014 Camaro SS L99, Ashen Grey w/Black Leather - Build thread - http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=491561 Mods - GPI 416 w/Custom Grind Cam, Ported Heads & Tuned by Ben, Mag Heartbeat, ZL1 Fuel Pump & DSX Aux Pump, NW 103 TB, FIC 1650's, Alky Meth, Circle D 3600 Triple Disc, RPM 5” CAI, Kooks Headers, Solo Cat Back, Viking Coil Overs & all the BMR Goodies in the rear, Zl1 3.23 Diff, DSS Axles, Gulfcoast Driveshaft, Hendrix Offset Diff Bushings, AFE Solid Subframe Bushings, 875HP/843TQ 5FDP

04-09-2022, 07:47 AM	#8
Tarendor Drives: 2012 camaro 2ss rs L99 Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: North Sioux city SD Posts: 446 View My Garage	Back in my early days of modding when I had the ss1 cam and did the rod mod I felt the difference. I re-ignighted my MOD SICKNESS and made me start doing other stuff in search of that feeling. LETS GO!!! __________________ 2012 2SS/RS, L99, no cats/mufflers, Ported intake manifold, fuel rail upgrade, ID1050x injectors, Vmax throttle body, 25% UDP, GPI DOD delete, GPI SS3, GPI cnc heads, GPI – 5/16″ Hardened Pushrods, BTR trunion upgrade, BTR .660 springs, pcv revamp w/dual catch cans, Circle D 3800, full BMR suspension & bushings. ZL1 fuel pump, HPT programmed fpcm. JMS bap, Snow VC-50 methanol setup. custom 4gal methonal tank, vs7875 turbo, FMIC, precision 46mm WG, 50mm BOV, 3bar map, SJM line lock, Innovate SCG-1, Hurst shifter with tap shift mod, ×2 Holley 14" fans Diy E85, Diy auxiliary pump

04-09-2022, 08:04 AM	#10
Ashen 6.2 Drives: 2014 Camaro Z/SS Join Date: May 2014 Location: NW Arkansas Posts: 1,993 View My Garage	gotcha. Yeah, if you planning a rebuild would be better to get a converter to match the specs of that build. __________________ 2014 Camaro SS L99, Ashen Grey w/Black Leather - Build thread - http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=491561 Mods - GPI 416 w/Custom Grind Cam, Ported Heads & Tuned by Ben, Mag Heartbeat, ZL1 Fuel Pump & DSX Aux Pump, NW 103 TB, FIC 1650's, Alky Meth, Circle D 3600 Triple Disc, RPM 5” CAI, Kooks Headers, Solo Cat Back, Viking Coil Overs & all the BMR Goodies in the rear, Zl1 3.23 Diff, DSS Axles, Gulfcoast Driveshaft, Hendrix Offset Diff Bushings, AFE Solid Subframe Bushings, 875HP/843TQ 5FDP

04-11-2022, 08:06 PM	#12
WHAMMO Drives: 13' 1LE Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 2,640	Not worth it really, unless you wanna burn some cash. Get that stock unit modded. __________________ 13' 1LE Old setup: TSP 231-236/Tick 660/.105 PR, UDP, SW LT 2'' & HFC, stock NPP & H pipe, VR-DRX CAI, air scoop, Goertz1 manifold, 102mm BBK, 26" Toyo DRs, Forgestars R17x10 & F18x8, rear seat delete, remote Pat G tune Autocal, 7400 limiter, Spec Mini Twin. 91oct. 11.90@122.3, 0-60ft 2.0 / 11.99@123.6, 0-60ft 2.1 DA+819 ...519RWHP SAE Solid roller SBE LS3, FED, LLSR, 91oct, 605rwhp N/A. Tuned by Pat G. Build by me.

04-11-2022, 08:26 PM	#13
morepowerjoe Drives: 2012 Chevrolet Camaro l99 Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 2,103	Thanks guys I think I will hold off until my rebuild and decide what cam I'm going to go with cause then I'll know what rpm range I'll be in. Thanks again. __________________ DSS FX Forged Pistons, Eagle ESP L19 Forged Rods, ARP Head and Main Studs, TSP PRC 260 CNC Ported Heads milled .030, Cometic .040 Head Gaskets, GPI SS3 VVT Camshaft, GM Performance Racing Lifters, CHE Trunnions , Molly Pushrods, Melling 10355HV Oil Pump, Cold Air Inductions CAI, Fast LSXR Intake Manifold, Nick Williams 103 TB, TSP 1 7/8" Longtubes with 3" TSP Exhaust, ZL1 Fuel Pump, Mishimoto Radiator, Mishimoto Oil Cooler, Tru Cool 40k Tranny Cooler, 3600 Circle D Converter, Fluid Dynamics Balancer Build Thread https://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=609817

04-12-2022, 08:22 AM	#14
1JEWLDSSRS Drives: 2011 SS-RS Join Date: May 2011 Location: FLORIDA Posts: 11,435	Yes sir. So many ways you can go depending on what YOU are going to be using the car for. The stock manifold/heads just can't be beat as it is good up to and a bit beyond the 6800 rpm you want to take it to. Mine before the LOD we made 460 rwhp at 6800. __________________ TSP STAGE 3 CAM,231/246 @112 LSA 614/641 LIFT, CIRCLE D 5C-4200-4500 CONVERTER,LOD INTAKE.CORSA EXHAUST. DSS 1 PC DS. PEGASUS SOLID CRADLE MOUNTS. 486RWHP/475RWTQ.LOTS MORE.