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Old 02-21-2018, 07:56 PM   #2031
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Yeah the 99-04 really needed to change the rear gears to get moving. IIRC GT's came with 3.27s from the factory. I put 4.10s in mine and that really helped it move. Good times lol
I did 4.10s on mine as well. It helped on the low end. But it killed my top end. I had nothing left after 90 MPH. If I got another one I would never touch the gears.
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Old 02-22-2018, 08:10 AM   #2032
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I did 4.10s on mine as well. It helped on the low end. But it killed my top end. I had nothing left after 90 MPH. If I got another one I would never touch the gears.
BLASPHEMY!!!! I will argue you to the moon and back on that lol. 4.10s and no less on a N/A 2V.
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Lets keep it simple. ..
it has more power...its available power is like a set kof double Ds (no matter where your face is... theyre everywhere) it has the suspension to mame it matter...(
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Old 02-22-2018, 09:58 AM   #2033
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I think alot of people agree the auto especially the A10 would make the ZLE faster, but nope can't get one.
M6 ZL1 is as fast as an A10 ZL1 around Big Willow:

M6 1:26.15
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The A10 will flatter the less skillful driver.
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Old 02-22-2018, 11:02 AM   #2034
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M6 ZL1 is as fast as an A10 ZL1 around Big Willow:

M6 1:26.15
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The A10 will flatter the less skillful driver.
Didn't they intially get a faster time with the A10 then some engineers made some "adjustments" to the M6 car ? I thought I read that somewhere

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Motorweek got their M6 GT to 12.4 @ 115 Car was a PP1 car with magneride

http://www.motorweek.org/reviews/roa...ord-mustang-gt

Also no mention of "floaty or sitting on top of phonebook" in this review
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it has more power...its available power is like a set kof double Ds (no matter where your face is... theyre everywhere) it has the suspension to mame it matter...(
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Old 02-22-2018, 11:49 AM   #2035
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M6 ZL1 is as fast as an A10 ZL1 around Big Willow:

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The A10 will flatter the less skillful driver.
Is that really a good thing at the ZL1's performance level?


Personally, I'd rather be constantly reminded that my part in it all still needs work.


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Old 02-22-2018, 12:24 PM   #2036
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Didn't they intially get a faster time with the A10 then some engineers made some "adjustments" to the M6 car ? I thought I read that somewhere

back to topics of Mustangs

Motorweek got their M6 GT to 12.4 @ 115 Car was a PP1 car with magneride

http://www.motorweek.org/reviews/roa...ord-mustang-gt

Also no mention of "floaty or sitting on top of phonebook" in this review
that last paragraph sums up whats been argued to death here.
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Old 02-22-2018, 01:42 PM   #2037
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Motorweek got their M6 GT to 12.4 @ 115 Car was a PP1 car with magneride

http://www.motorweek.org/reviews/roa...ord-mustang-gt

Also no mention of "floaty or sitting on top of phonebook" in this review
Jethro is one of the great reviewers so if he says the PP1 suspension is a journey of discovery then I am going to believe him without a shadow of a doubt. Jonny’s comment regarding the GTs steering was even more worrysome. Motorweek does not do head to head reviews. If they did they may have said something similiar regarding PP1.

Putting aside floaty and phonebook for a sec, the Mustang was 3 seconds slower than the SS 1LE after just one rolling start lap. We know it’s not the GTs motor that is the issue. PP1 is the GTs weak link.
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Old 02-22-2018, 01:52 PM   #2038
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Jethro is one of the great reviewers so if he says the PP1 suspension is a journey of discovery then I am going to believe him without a shadow of a doubt. Jonny’s comment regarding the GTs steering was even more worrysome. Motorweek does not do head to head reviews. If they did they may have said something similiar regarding PP1.

Putting aside floaty and phonebook for a sec, the Mustang was 3 seconds slower than the SS 1LE after just one rolling start lap. We know it’s not the GTs motor that is the issue. PP1 is the GTs weak link.
Got it so the M/T review said its bad so if no other reviews mention it doesn't matter M/T is gospel LOL

I am not saying the PP1 will beat the 1LE, I know it's going to be slower. Like you mentioned, what M/T did say about the steering and how it felt like sitting on a phone book was very odd/worrysome. So far no other review (that I have seen, please correct me if I am wrong) has mentioned bad steering or floaty suspension feel. That is what I want to know. If it was as bad as M/T mentioned, you think other reviews would at least mention that it could be better/not as good as it should be. and maybe you are right, maybe it's because they aren't comparing it directly to something else. I just found it out that with how bad MT made it other reviews haven't said similar.
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Old 02-22-2018, 03:03 PM   #2039
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My guess is the difference is much more apparant when you drive a Mustang and Camaro back to back. And if this is just some journalist with limited skills driving a car around a road course it's different than say Randy Pobst.
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Got it so the M/T review said its bad so if no other reviews mention it doesn't matter M/T is gospel LOL
M/T now has Jethro. So ya, gospel.

The best performance car reviewers in the world have all, at some point in their careers, worked for Evo - Catchpole / Meaden / Bovingdon / Harris

M/T's use of Randy as a performance driver is brilliant.

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you think other reviews would at least mention that it could be better/not as good as it should be.
The proof is in the pudding. The GT with PP1 is 3 seconds slower after just one rolling start lap.
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My guess is the difference is much more apparant when you drive a Mustang and Camaro back to back. And if this is just some journalist with limited skills driving a car around a road course it's different than say Randy Pobst.
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Old 02-22-2018, 03:24 PM   #2042
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Got it so the M/T review said its bad so if no other reviews mention it doesn't matter M/T is gospel LOL

I am not saying the PP1 will beat the 1LE, I know it's going to be slower. Like you mentioned, what M/T did say about the steering and how it felt like sitting on a phone book was very odd/worrysome. So far no other review (that I have seen, please correct me if I am wrong) has mentioned bad steering or floaty suspension feel. That is what I want to know. If it was as bad as M/T mentioned, you think other reviews would at least mention that it could be better/not as good as it should be. and maybe you are right, maybe it's because they aren't comparing it directly to something else. I just found it out that with how bad MT made it other reviews haven't said similar.
Ya but that Motor Week article is weak. Who was the driver? What was the road course? What was the time? How does the same driver compare in other cars?

The Motortrend artcicle was harsh, and probably too harsh as the 18 Mustang improved over the 15 and still put up some respectable numbers but the difference is the Camaro was built with the track in mind and is clearly more of a sportscar whereas the Mustang trends towards its GT roots and is more of the cruiser/street car.

The PP1 vs 1LE was never the right head to head to begin with (should have been PP1 vs SS w/Magride) but it is what it is.
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Old 02-22-2018, 06:54 PM   #2043
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The PP1 vs 1LE was never the right head to head to begin with (should have been PP1 vs SS w/Magride) but it is what it is.
True. But now we are all waiting for the PP2 vs 1LE episode.
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Old 02-23-2018, 03:40 AM   #2044
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$36K for a base GT.
$40K with PP1.
$41,600 if you add Magneride shocks, lol!!
And $42,500 for the PP2.
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