[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by Syphon23

Idiot Mustang guys at it again...

"I am going to mention that the PP2 w/A10 is effortless fun, & will match the Corvette on the streets"

The 18s can are pretty even with the LS3 let alone the LT1s.

smh. It's pure comedy hour over there. 24 hrs a day. I honestly believe that the Mustang community as a whole has gotten younger and dumber and it's proven by taking 1 trip over to their site. Now, they are claiming a stock '18 GT w/blower only is a 840 hp car. smh. And I'm like............wow.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

You will love electric cars and that's not meant to be a put-down.

But, I find judging the car by drag racing to be pretty laughable overall, because you can simply shoe-horn a bigger engine in a car, add a blower, add meth, etc. It's much easier to take an older car from the 60s and make it a good "drag car" than it is to make it something that will compete on a track. Making "performance" all about drag-racing is way too one-dimensional. It's not that the sport is laughable, I get that people like competing in it and being able to go faster, it's that it doesn't really depend on chassis dynamics or drive-ability, so the car may handle like crap, may ride like crap, may steer like crap, may brake like crap, etc. In the real world, those things mean a lot more to me than just the straight-line acceleration. Heck, the old drag-racing cars were some of the first where automatic transmissions became "the fastest way". That again is the complete opposite reason that I bought my car. I bought it to get more connected with the car and the road with a manual trans.

I didn't say that drag racing was the ONLY aspect. I said that to me it is the most IMPORTANT aspect. I want a car that can handle. I want a car that has options and creature comforts. I want all of that. But I mainly want something that can go fast in a straight line. If I had to choose between let's say, a GT350R and a ZL1, and the GT350R beat the ZL1 around a track, but it was still a 12.2 quarter mile to the ZL1 being an 11.4, then I would pick the ZL1 hands down.Or, if I had to chose between a Hellcat and a GT350R...I'll let you guess which one I'd pick...

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Syphon23

Idiot Mustang guys at it again...

"I am going to mention that the PP2 w/A10 is effortless fun, & will match the Corvette on the streets"

The 18s can are pretty even with the LS3 let alone the LT1s.

Not coming at you but...it makes us look just as childish as they are when we post their bullshit over here. I personally don't care what they're saying over there. If he is foolish enough to believe that his GT can keep up with a Corvette when the GT still has yet to beat the SS then he is a retard. I hope he fully has confidence of this and goes racing one for a large sum of money. Well, actually I bet he doesn't even have an 18 GT, an S550, or even a Mustang at all and is just talking out his ass.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by kttxz06

smh. It's pure comedy hour over there. 24 hrs a day. I honestly believe that the Mustang community as a whole has gotten younger and dumber and it's proven by taking 1 trip over to their site. Now, they are claiming a stock '18 GT w/blower only is a 840 hp car. smh. And I'm like............wow.

I believe MAK performance in Hialeah FL made 840 on their dyno with just a P1X cat delete and E85 car trapped 142+...That seems a tad low for 840 and it’s not blower only but it’s still stout with very few mods.

[Gunkk]

Mustangs were made for girls.

Still are.

[Gunkk]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

I believe MAK performance in Hialeah FL made 840 on their dyno with just a P1X cat delete and E85 car trapped 142+...That seems a tad low for 840 and it’s not blower only but it’s still stout with very few mods.

I wouldn't call this "very few mods" and they said they're having trouble ("gremlins") with the A10... so they probably messed up with the tune:

http://www.fordnxt.com/news/first-20...econd-barrier/

• BMR Suspension lowering springs

• DeatschWerks 1,000cc port fuel injectors

• DeatschWerks DW400 fuel pump in MAK-modified factory fuel hat

• JMS 17-inch drag wheels

• JMS FuelMax fuel pump voltage booster

• MAK cat-delete pipes

• Mickey Thompson tires

• ProCharger HO system

• Torsen differential

• UPR Products oil separator

• Velgen wheels (street)

Amazing how in 1 post we go from "blower only" to OMG 840 HP WITH A 142 TRAP!!!11!!11!!

You guys gotta stop it ... you're killing your credibility. Or don't stop, so we can continue enjoying your comedy.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by Gunkk

I wouldn't call this "very few mods" and they said they're having trouble ("gremlins") with the A10... so they probably messed up with the tune:

http://www.fordnxt.com/news/first-20...econd-barrier/

• BMR Suspension lowering springs

• DeatschWerks 1,000cc port fuel injectors

• DeatschWerks DW400 fuel pump in MAK-modified factory fuel hat

• JMS 17-inch drag wheels

• JMS FuelMax fuel pump voltage booster

• MAK cat-delete pipes

• Mickey Thompson tires

• ProCharger HO system

• Torsen differential

• UPR Products oil separator

• Velgen wheels (street)

Amazing how in 1 post we go from "blower only" to OMG 840 HP WITH A 142 TRAP!!!11!!11!!

You guys gotta stop it ... you're killing your credibility. Or don't stop, so we can continue enjoying your comedy.

Out of that list there are only really only 3 things making power... the blower, the off road pipe and the E85... it’s very few mods to make 840 wheel.

[Godfatha]

Mustang fans and their ricer math.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Gunkk

Mustangs were made for girls.

Still are.

It’s true. Little girls eventually get the pony they wanted for their 5th birthday. I’ve heard a few guys buy them too.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by Syphon23

Idiot Mustang guys at it again...

"I am going to mention that the PP2 w/A10 is effortless fun, & will match the Corvette on the streets"

The 18s can are pretty even with the LS3 let alone the LT1s.

What’s really funny, they don’t make a PP2 with auto.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by Gunkk

I wouldn't call this "very few mods" and they said they're having trouble ("gremlins") with the A10... so they probably messed up with the tune:

http://www.fordnxt.com/news/first-20...econd-barrier/

• BMR Suspension lowering springs

• DeatschWerks 1,000cc port fuel injectors

• DeatschWerks DW400 fuel pump in MAK-modified factory fuel hat

• JMS 17-inch drag wheels

• JMS FuelMax fuel pump voltage booster

• MAK cat-delete pipes

• Mickey Thompson tires

• ProCharger HO system

• Torsen differential

• UPR Products oil separator

• Velgen wheels (street)

Amazing how in 1 post we go from "blower only" to OMG 840 HP WITH A 142 TRAP!!!11!!11!!

You guys gotta stop it ... you're killing your credibility. Or don't stop, so we can continue enjoying your comedy.

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So since you are so intent on dismissing these numbers what will it take for an SS to run 9-seconds and 142-mph without internal engine mods. I'm sure it takes a lot less right , while we are at it what will it take for a ZL1 to run these times and mph? Also I think the SS A8 owners are having transmission issues stock correct?

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

I believe MAK performance in Hialeah FL made 840 on their dyno with just a P1X cat delete and E85 car trapped 142+...That seems a tad low for 840 and it’s not blower only but it’s still stout with very few mods.

Did Evans run that Mustang too?

Didn't we learn our lesson from magazine articles/shops/tuners/ads already?

How much would this setup cost? If I had an 18 and took it to them, could they push it to similar numbers and let it leave the shop will full confidence that it'll last and be reliable? Or will they tell me it needs this and that extra to be on the safe side?

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

f you are comparing dynamic handling, the Camaro has a clear advantage.

For me, it really is just about this part and what it took to get to that level.

It's disappointing that Ford has taken this long to put a non-GT350 package together that has much chance of running with the 1LE, and even that's something we're going to have to wait and see on.

I'm not in car buying mode today, probably not even this year (and I certainly hope I don't get forced into it by anything unpleasant). But if I was I'd rather have a choice between cars where the performance gap wasn't this wide.


Norm

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Then why didn't Ford just slap a tire on the PP1 from the start and call it a day? Why did they need this entire additional package? Why not offer the tire as an upgrade? On the SS you can upgrade the tire to what comes stock on the ZL1. If Ford had done that then they could have tested it with the upgraded tire and we would all know.

My feelings exactly. Why not? It wouldn't have taken a rocket science level of engineering.

I agree. But I don't think it was a knife to gunfight comparison. I think it was more that Ford brought a butter-knife while GM brought a dagger.

Works for me . . .


Norm